# Oicnw **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [September 20, 2018, 11:59am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oicnw/49267 "2018-09-20T11:59:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Duval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Duval](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Duval)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:59am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oicnw/49267/1 "2018-09-20T11:59:28Z")
Hello a Buddy of Mine is working with HOS he holds a 3rd Mate Unlimited with Oceans but does not have his OICNW the Vessel is a 1600 ton and have been working this way for 5 years is this normal or is it a loophole that makes this ok? ---
**Author:** ![jdcavo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jdcavo/32/108_2.png) [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oicnw/49267/2 "2018-09-20T12:51:10Z")
I’m not sure what you are asking. Are you asking how to get the endorsement, or whether one is needed on that vessel? If you are aksing whether you, I mean “your buddy” needs an STCW endorsement for that vessel, see [46 CFR 15.1103(a)](https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=e47959057b97eb423b6a6ca3ee08f2f9&mc=true&node=se46.1.15_11103&rgn=div8): _Onboard a seagoing vessel of **500 GT or more** , driven by main propulsion machinery of 1,000 HP/750 kW propulsion power or more or on an international voyage beyond the boundary line as described in part 7 of this chapter, no person may employ or engage any person to serve, and no person may serve, in a position requiring a person to hold an STCW endorsement, including master, chief mate, chief engineer officer, second engineer officer, **officer of the navigational or engineering watch** , or GMDSS radio operator, unless the person serving holds an appropriate, valid STCW endorsement issued in accordance with part 11 of this subchapter._ ---
**Author:** ![SteveDoon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/stevedoon/32/6162_2.png) [@SteveDoon](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SteveDoon)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oicnw/49267/3 "2018-09-20T17:01:22Z")
Is your buddy sailing as 3rd mate? Last I checked HOS required its bridge officers to hold an OICNW endorsement. ---
**Author:** ![Duval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Duval](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Duval)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oicnw/49267/4 "2018-09-20T18:04:54Z")
lol Nice one Jdcavo No its not my license I only have My Master of towing and 500 Master But the question was he has been working as an officer has his 3rd Mate Unlimited With Oceans with II/3 and the vessel is over 1600 tons… So yes SteveDoon he’s been working under these conditions… ---
**Author:** ![tugsailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9adbd/32.png) [@tugsailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tugsailor)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oicnw/49267/5 "2018-09-20T18:24:35Z")
II/3 isn’t enough. He needs II/1. ---
**Author:** ![Duval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Duval](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Duval)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oicnw/49267/6 "2018-09-20T19:11:36Z")
My thoughts exactly…I told him the same thing. He gets a way with it though so idk… ---
**Author:** ![jdcavo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jdcavo/32/108_2.png) [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oicnw/49267/7 "2018-09-20T19:13:29Z")
> [@Duval](#): > > he has been working as an officer has his 3rd Mate Unlimited With Oceans with II/3 and the vessel is over 1600 tons II/3 is only valid for near coastal, and for vessels less than 500 GT (200 GRT). The endorsement in his MMC probably has that limitation. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oicnw/49267/8 "2018-09-20T20:03:51Z")
There’s a chance that simply no one noticed. They see 3rd Mate Unlimited and they assume he’s good to go. If anything happens him, the captain, and the company are in for a world of hurt.