# NPR's story on the US shipbuilding boom this morning **URL:** \ **Category:** Maritime News\ **Created:** [March 14, 2014, 6:55am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284 "2014-03-14T06:55:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![brjones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@brjones](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/brjones)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/21 "2014-03-15T19:04:14Z")
> [@"Johnny Canal"](#): > > Not sure those were US from start; will have to dig deeper. i thought you were referencing original liberty bulkers. Don’t know anything about them. they have been US from the start and are part of the MSP ---
**Author:** ![brjones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@brjones](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/brjones)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 7:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/22 "2014-03-15T19:07:50Z")
Pretty sure the c10’s were also US from the beginning ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Seadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/67e7ee/32.png) [@Chief\_Seadog](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Chief_Seadog)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 7:22pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/23 "2014-03-15T19:22:19Z")
[QUOTE=brjones;132976]Pretty sure the c10’s were also US from the beginning[/QUOTE] Yes the C10’s (President Adams, President Jackson, President Polk and President Truman) were all US Flag from the beginning. Built in Germany no less. Unfortunately they are all gone now. Scrapped last year. ---
**Author:** ![brjones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@brjones](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/brjones)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 7:41pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/24 "2014-03-15T19:41:57Z")
President Kennedy as well. She was reflagged though years ago, but she started as a US flag ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Canal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Canal](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Johnny_Canal)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/25 "2014-03-15T19:55:08Z")
[QUOTE=brjones;132975]they have been US from the start and are part of the MSP[/QUOTE] MSP bulkers??? WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Seadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/67e7ee/32.png) [@Chief\_Seadog](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Chief_Seadog)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/26 "2014-03-15T20:11:23Z")
[QUOTE=brjones;132975]they have been US from the start and are part of the MSP[/QUOTE] The bulkers are not part of the MSP program. The were built to carry PL 480 cargo. The only ship Liberty Maritime has in the (MSP) program is the car carrier M/V Prestige New York. This pretty well tells the story…[http://www.maritime-executive.com/magazine/Liberty-Maritime-2013-12-19/](http://www.maritime-executive.com/magazine/Liberty-Maritime-2013-12-19/) The change in the PL 480 program caused Liberty to put the 3 bulkers recently delivered under Marshall Island flag. Here is the current list of MSP ships; [http://www.marad.dot.gov/documents/MSP\_Fleet\_2-1-14.pdf](http://www.marad.dot.gov/documents/MSP_Fleet_2-1-14.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Canal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Canal](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Johnny_Canal)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/27 "2014-03-15T20:17:17Z")
Oct 2008 MARAD report does not list any bulkers receiving MSP out of 59 on the dole. A need for 8 bulkers is on the VISA list, but that doesn’t pay anything. - - - Updated - - - U[QUOTE=Chief Seadog;132980]The bulkers are not part of the MSP program. The were built for the PL 480 cargo. The only ship Liberty Maritime has in the (MSP) program is the car carrier M/V Prestige New York. This pretty well tells the story…[http://www.maritime-executive.com/magazine/Liberty-Maritime-2013-12-19/](http://www.maritime-executive.com/magazine/Liberty-Maritime-2013-12-19/)[/ QUOTE] Beat me to the punch, must have faster Internet than my boat. Knew that didnt make any sense. American operators would never stand for that. this is interesting, any way [http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=liberty%20bulkers%20on%20msp&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marad.dot.gov%2Fdocuments%2FMSP\_Revised\_Final\_Report\_Transmitted\_07-24-09.pdf&ei=5hIlU\_SNBIPpoASRj4CwAw&usg=AFQjCNHXAvmBwtkYsFGVLMwAYfnwFZPjpg&sig2=PTa7fusgpyG6U1Yr43FrsA&bvm=bv.62922401,d.cGU](http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=liberty%20bulkers%20on%20msp&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marad.dot.gov%2Fdocuments%2FMSP_Revised_Final_Report_Transmitted_07-24-09.pdf&ei=5hIlU_SNBIPpoASRj4CwAw&usg=AFQjCNHXAvmBwtkYsFGVLMwAYfnwFZPjpg&sig2=PTa7fusgpyG6U1Yr43FrsA&bvm=bv.62922401,d.cGU) ---
**Author:** ![brjones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@brjones](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/brjones)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/28 "2014-03-15T20:20:53Z")
My mistake I thought all liberty ships were under the MSP ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Canal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Canal](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Johnny_Canal)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 8:32pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/29 "2014-03-15T20:32:48Z")
[QUOTE=Chief Seadog;132968]Bulkers: M/V Liberty Glory delivered 2001, built by Oshima Shipbuilding Co., Japan M/V Liberty Grace delivered 2001, built by Oshima Shipbuilding Co., Japan M/V Liberty Eagle delivered 2004, built by Oshima Shipbuilding Co., Japan Believe the M/V Liberty Pride delivered 2009, built by Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering, Korea M/V Liberty Promise delivered 2010, built by Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering, Korea may have been reflagged upon delivery and therefore not necessarily US flag from the start foreign built ships.[/QUOTE] I have to wonder if Pride and Promise are on long term NYK or K line charter? Certainly wouldnt build them on hopes of MSP dough. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Canal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Canal](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Johnny_Canal)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/30 "2014-03-15T20:40:38Z")
Gotta say that I’m suprised they built bulkers in Japan. Must have gotten a hell of a deal. I had admittedly forgotten all about Liberty when I started reading this thread. Building ships in Japan is surprising if you can avoid it, but building anything in Korea has to be cheaper than Japan. My first shipyard exprrience was at Hyundai Mipo in Ulsan. Workers built scaffolding out of bamboo and bailing wire to hang over the side of a car carrier in drydock. Amazing… ---
**Author:** ![brjones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@brjones](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/brjones)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 9:03pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/31 "2014-03-15T21:03:42Z")
The old liberty bunkers were built in Korea in the late 80’s if I remember. At least the Spirit was. Don’t think it was US from the beginning but I’m not 100% sure ---
**Author:** ![brjones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@brjones](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/brjones)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/32 "2014-03-15T21:08:12Z")
> [@"Chief Seadog"](#): > > Yes the C10’s (President Adams, President Jackson, President Polk and President Truman) were all US Flag from the beginning. Built in Germany no less. Unfortunately they are all gone now. Scrapped last year. I was the 1AE on the Adams up until her last voyage to the states before heading to Singapore to be scrapped. The memo said reflagged first. I wonder if they actually scrapped it? ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Seadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/67e7ee/32.png) [@Chief\_Seadog](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Chief_Seadog)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 9:24pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/33 "2014-03-15T21:24:52Z")
It was reflagged to St Kitts Nevis and renamed Adams. Last port of call was Alang. She was scrapped there last June. ---
**Author:** ![\_A465B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/e8c25b/32.png) [@\_A465B](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/_A465B)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 7:41am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/34 "2014-03-16T07:41:36Z")
Sorry, it is FABC. The ships TILLIE & TYSON LYKES from Samsung… ---
**Author:** ![PaddyWest2012](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/paddywest2012/32/2405_2.png) [@PaddyWest2012](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/PaddyWest2012)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 8:59am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/35 "2014-03-16T08:59:50Z")
[QUOTE=+A465B;133000]Sorry, it is FABC. The ships TILLIE & TYSON LYKES from Samsung…[/QUOTE] This may seem like a stupid question but, is Lykes still around? ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Seadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/67e7ee/32.png) [@Chief\_Seadog](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Chief_Seadog)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 9:29am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/36 "2014-03-16T09:29:23Z")
[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;133001]This may seem like a stupid question but, is Lykes still around?[/QUOTE] Lykes was bought by CP Ships who ended the brand. CP was bought by TUI AG who in turn was bought by Hapag-Lloyd. So the short answer is no. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Canal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Canal](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Johnny_Canal)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 9:32am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/37 "2014-03-16T09:32:25Z")
[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;133001]This may seem like a stupid question but, is Lykes still around?[/QUOTE] They may still dabble in banking, citrus groves, cattle, and meat packing. Lykes pork products sold in south was them. The family has a waterfront compound on Lykes lane in S. Tampa very close to where I lived. By far the single biggest piece of residential property around for miles and miles. In downtown Tampa there is a building with a small, but clearly visible blue and white Lykes ships stack logo in the window. If I had to guess, that is office of Hapag Lloyd North America. Some former Lykes Capts working there probably want it kept there. If Lykes still has anything shipping wise it’s probably FOC. But I’m pretty sure they are done in that arena. ---
**Author:** ![\_A465B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/e8c25b/32.png) [@\_A465B](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/_A465B)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 9:37am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/38 "2014-03-16T09:37:26Z")
There are some Lykes agricultural / property businesses around Florida, but the shipping line out of NOLA is long gone… Those stick ships were some good fun to sail on. Lots of odd ball cargoes to out of the way places. ---
**Author:** ![PaddyWest2012](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/paddywest2012/32/2405_2.png) [@PaddyWest2012](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/PaddyWest2012)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 9:43am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/39 "2014-03-16T09:43:23Z")
[QUOTE=+A465B;133008]There are some Lykes agricultural / property businesses around Florida, but the shipping line out of NOLA is long gone… Those stick ships were some good fun to sail on. Lots of odd ball cargoes to out of the way places.[/QUOTE] [Here is a link to a nice little essay](http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/brakebulkliners2.html) (with pictures too!) of the end of break bulk shipping and the rise of containers in the mid-20th century. It draws sympathetic conclusions about the death of the original and long-standing romance of our business. We’re just floating truck drivers now! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Canal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Canal](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Johnny_Canal)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284/40 "2014-03-16T17:08:19Z")
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;133006]They may still dabble in banking, citrus groves, cattle, and meat packing. Lykes pork products sold in south was them. The family has a waterfront compound on Lykes lane in S. Tampa very close to where I lived. By far the single biggest piece of residential property around for miles and miles. In downtown Tampa there is a building with a small, but clearly visible blue and white Lykes ships stack logo in the window. If I had to guess, that is office of Hapag Lloyd North America. Some former Lykes Capts working there probably want it kept there. If Lykes still has anything shipping wise it’s probably FOC. But I’m pretty sure they are done in that arena.[/QUOTE] I was wrong about that address. It is in fact the office of the shadowy Lykes Bros. Corp. [Lykes.com](http://Lykes.com) [Previous page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/nprs-story-on-the-us-shipbuilding-boom-this-morning/12284.md?page=3)