# New Jobs for US Mariners as Military Departments are Disestablished on MSC Ships **URL:** \ **Category:** Military Sealift Command\ **Created:** [August 13, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203 "2014-08-13T18:16:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@rob](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/rob)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/1 "2014-08-13T18:16:28Z")
6 August 2014 From: Chief of Naval Operations Subj: DISESTABLISHMENT OF MILITARY DEPARTMENTS ON MILITARY SEALIFT COMMAND SHIPS Ref: (a) OPNAVINST 5400.44A (b) OPNAVINST 5400.45 1. Purpose. To approve the disestablishment of military departments on Military Sealift Command’s United States Naval Ships (USNS), per reference (a). 2. Background. This disestablishment action is as a result of Program Objective Memorandum Fiscal Year 2013 budget issues that approved the elimination of all military departments aboard USNS ships and approved the use of civilian substitution to put civilian mariners with appropriate experience into the positions that the military personnel had occupied. All military personnel, 21 officers and 178 enlisted, are reassigned to other positions. 3. Organizational Changes. Effective immediately, disestablish the following USNS military departments: Disestablish Petty Officer in Charge Military Department USNS GRASP (T-ARS 51) FPO AE 09570-4106 (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 4573A)\* (PLA: USNS GRASP) Petty Officer in Charge Military Department USNS GRAPPLE (T-ARS 53) FPO AE 09570-4133 (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 4574A) (PLA: USNS GRAPPLE) Petty Officer in Charge Military Department USNS SAFEGUARD (T-ARS 50) FPO AP 96677-1277 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 4575A) (PLA: USNS SAFEGUARD) Petty Officer in Charge Military Department USNS SALVOR (T-ARS 52) FPO AP 96678-4176 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 4576A) (PLA: USNS SALVOR) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS JOHN LENTHALL (T-AO 189) FPO AE 09577-4091 (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 45811) (PLA: USNS JOHN LENTHALL) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS WALTER S DIEHL (T-AO 193) FPO AP 96663-4020 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 46282) (PLA: USNS WALTER S DIEHL) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS JOHN ERICSSON (T-AO 194) FPO AP 96664-4071 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 46283) (PLA: USNS JOHN ERICSSON) Officer in Charge USNS LEROY GRUMMAN (T-AO 195) FPO AE 09570-4095 (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 46284) (PLA: USNS LEROY GRUMMAN) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS KANAWHA (T-AO 196) FPO AE 09576-4075 (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 46285) (PLA: USNS KANAWHA) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS PECOS (T-AO 197) FPO AO 96675-4099 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 46286) (PLA: USNS PECOS) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS BIG HORN (T-AO 198) FPO AE 09565-4072) (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 46287) (PLA: USNS BIG HORN) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS TIPPECANOE (T-AO 199) FPO AP 96679-4040 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 48886) (PLA: USNS TIPPECANOE) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS GUADALUPE (T-AO 200) FPO AP 96666-4030 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 48887) (PLA: USNS GUADALUPE) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS PATUXENT (T-AO 201) FPO AE 09582-4012 (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 48888) (PLA: USNS PATUXENT) Officer in Change Military Department USNS YUKON (T-AO 202) FPO AP 96686-4068 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 48889) (PLA: USNS YUKON) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS LARAMIE (T-AO 203) FPO AE 09577-4004 (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 48890) (PLA: USNS LARAMIE) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS RAPPAHANNOCK (T-AO 204) FPO AP 96677-4027 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 48891) (PLA: USNS RAPPAHANNOCK) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS JOSHUA HUMPHREYS (T-AO 188) FPO AE 09573-4087 (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 23605) (PLA: USNS JOSHUA HUMPHREYS) Petty Officer in Charge Military Department USNS APACHE (T-ATF 172) FPO AE 09564-4003 (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 41930) (PLA: USNS APACHE) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS SIOUX (T-ATF 171) FPO AP 96678-4063 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 41936) (PLA: USNS SIOUX) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS LEWIS AND CLARK (T-AKE 1) FPO AE 09577-4077 (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 4324A) (PLA: USNS LEWIS AND CLARK) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS SACAGAWEA (T-AKE 2) FPO AE 09587-4178 (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 4325A) (PLA: USNS SACAGAWEA) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS ALAN SHEPPARD (T-AKE 3) FPO AP 96678-4105 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 4344A) (PLA: USNS ALAN SHEPPARD) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS RICHARD E BYRD (T-AKE 4) FPO AP 96661-4104 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 4345A) (PLA: USNS RICHARD E BYRD) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS ROBERT E PEARY (T-AKE 5) FPO AE 92582-4110 (SNDL: 41J1) (UIC: 4346A) (PLA: USNS ROBERT E PEARY) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS AMELIA EARHART (T-AKE 6) FPO AP 96664-4114 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 4347A) (PLA: USNS AMELIA EARHART) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS CARL BRASHEAR (T-AKE 7) FPO AP 96661-4107 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 43967) (PLA: USNS CARL BRASHEAR) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS WALLY SCHIRRA (T-AKE 8) FPO AP 96678-4112 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 43968) (PLA: USNS WALLY SCHIRRA) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS MATTHEW PERRY (T-AKE 9) FPO AP 96675-4108 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 43969) (PLA: USNS MATTHEW PERRY) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS CHARLES DREW (T-AKE 10) FPO AE 96663-4100 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 43970) (PLA: USNS CHARLES DREW) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS WASHINGTON CHAMBERS (T-AKE 11) FPO AP 96662-4011 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 43971) (PLA: USNS WASHINGTON CHAMBERS) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS CATAWBA (T-ATF 168) FPO AP 96662-4007 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 43616) (PLA: USNS CATAWBA) Officer in Charge Military Department USNS NAVAJO (T-ATF 169) FPO AP 96673-4036 (SNDL: 41J2) (UIC: 43618) (PLA: USNS NAVAJO) 1. Action a. Commander, Military Sealift Command (COMSC) will take appropriate action, consistent with reference (a), to disestablish these military departments effective immediately. b. Master Update Authority, Honolulu, HI will delete the PLAs in the Central Directory Component via messaging systems effective immediately upon COMSC request to Commander, Naval Network Warfare Command (COMNAVNETWARCOM) (Network Operations 321), 112 Lake View Pkwy, Suffolk, VA 23435-2696, via email at [C2OIX\_Reg@navy.mil](mailto:C2OIX_Reg@navy.mil) or by calling (757) 203-0338/0339. Deleted PLAs will be deactivated via messaging systems. Additional information on naval messaging can be obtained at [https://sailor.nmci.navy.smil.mil](https://sailor.nmci.navy.smil.mil) or by contacting COMNAVNETWARCOM at numbers above. (New direction – COMSC ACTION REQUIRED regarding the PLA). c. Director, Navy Staff, Organization and Management Branch (DNS-33) will revise reference (b). 1. Records Management. Records created as a result of this notice, regardless of media or format, shall be managed per Secretary of the Navy Manual 5210.1 of January 2012. 2. Cancellation Contingency. This notice will remain in effect for 1 year or until superseded, whichever occurs first. The organization action will remain effective until changed by Director, Navy Staff. S. W. CAREY Director of Management ---
**Author:** ![Jeffrox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea5d25/32.png) [@Jeffrox](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jeffrox)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2014, 9:02pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/2 "2014-08-14T21:02:59Z")
Your title to this thread is misleading. The military folks have been replaced and have been long gone for awhile, this document eliminates the various forms of the address’ ---
**Author:** ![DeckApe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/deckape/32/1271_2.png) [@DeckApe](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/DeckApe)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 6:41am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/3 "2014-08-15T06:41:54Z")
Now they’ll take away AFN and Navy movies because we’re not military. ---
**Author:** ![Jeffrox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea5d25/32.png) [@Jeffrox](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jeffrox)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 11:03am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/4 "2014-08-15T11:03:17Z")
[QUOTE=DeckApe;142425]Now they’ll take away AFN and Navy movies because we’re not military.[/QUOTE] Naw, it’s authorized for DOD, DOS etc. civilians. ---
**Author:** ![catherder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@catherder](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/catherder)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 5:52pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/5 "2014-08-15T17:52:20Z")
[QUOTE=DeckApe;142425]Now they’ll take away AFN and Navy movies because we’re not military.[/QUOTE] No, you won’t lose your movies. We have them, too. And we don’t have anything that even remotely resembles a military (take that, noaa corps)(speaking of what should go away) ---
**Author:** ![TheShipCantSink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f4b2a3/32.png) [@TheShipCantSink](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/TheShipCantSink)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 10:38pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/6 "2014-08-15T22:38:21Z")
If only they would hire faster… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![catherder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@catherder](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/catherder)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/7 "2014-08-15T23:29:09Z")
[QUOTE=TheShipCantSink;142446]If only they would hire faster… ;)[/QUOTE] It’s the gub-mint. They take awhile. What did you apply for? Some positions are very competitive. ---
**Author:** ![TheShipCantSink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f4b2a3/32.png) [@TheShipCantSink](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/TheShipCantSink)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2014, 8:46am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/8 "2014-08-16T08:46:43Z")
[QUOTE=catherder;142448]It’s the gub-mint. They take awhile. What did you apply for? Some positions are very competitive.[/QUOTE] I applied for the Ordinary Seaman Advancement Program. My dream entry-level job. I suppose that makes it one of the more competitive ones, right? ---
**Author:** ![rbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@rbo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/rbo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2014, 12:54pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/9 "2014-08-16T12:54:27Z")
[QUOTE=TheShipCantSink;142462]I applied for the Ordinary Seaman Advancement Program. My dream entry-level job. I suppose that makes it one of the more competitive ones, right?[/QUOTE] You are better off going in as a SU. Last two neo classes the unlicensed has been 80% SU and 20% wiper for entry level. ---
**Author:** ![Jeffrox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea5d25/32.png) [@Jeffrox](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jeffrox)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 8:54am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/10 "2014-08-18T08:54:21Z")
MSC All Entry Levels open 18-22 Aug 2014 ---
**Author:** ![merc824](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@merc824](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/merc824)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2021, 5:04am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/11 "2021-12-17T05:04:51Z")
I served on the USNS John Lenthall from 2012 to 2013. Does anyone know what they did with all the administrative paperwork for the active-duty sailors? There’s an award that I am trying to find that was given to me as an EOT from the Lenthall. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Dana](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/richard_dana/32/25800_2.png) [@Richard\_Dana](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Richard_Dana)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/12 "2021-12-18T18:46:05Z")
Could it be because the Navy is currently undermanned? Seems to be the common military practice to fill the gaps in some positions by hiring expensive civilian contractors. > **[Navy ‘masking’ extent of manning shortfalls in the surface fleet, watchdog...](https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2021/06/03/navy-masking-extent-of-manning-shortfalls-in-the-surface-fleet-watchdog-agency-says/)** > > Such shortfalls nearly doubled from 2016 to 2020. ---
**Author:** ![WestCoast89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/4da419/32.png) [@WestCoast89](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/WestCoast89)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2021, 2:17am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/13 "2021-12-20T02:17:55Z")
Are the civilian mariners really that “expensive” when they can run engine and deck departments with a quarter or less the people. Also they don’t cost the taxpayers money with the sweat government retirement plan, life-long VA benefits, and G.I. I would make the case that even with the most expensive health care plans and union pensions that private mariners are a whole hell of a lot cheaper than military to operate non combat ships. ---
**Author:** ![KPChief](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kpchief/32/26_2.png) [@KPChief](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/KPChief)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2021, 8:24am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/new-jobs-for-us-mariners-as-military-departments-are-disestablished-on-msc-ships/13203/14 "2021-12-20T08:24:58Z")