Hi- looking for input, perhaps from Mr Cavo. Would post in training and licensing but didn’t seem to be much activity lately and wanted this seen… I hold a 500ton n.c. master lic, with inland master of tow… Sent in completed nc toar and letter with 90 days on route and 30 days training and obsv. in order to change inland mot to n.c. mot… NMC responded saying I must first take nav gen., deck gen, deck safety exams at uscg in order to get NC mot…According to cfr 46 10.464 part g, this is incorrect. A completed toar and evidence of seatime and training should suffice… no? thank you.
Something’s doesn’t sound right about the response from the NMC… But it never does.
I’ve heard of this before. Just take the exam. Its no big deal.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;150719]I’ve heard of this before. Just take the exam. Its no big deal.[/QUOTE]
THIS
Just get in there and shred the exams, it is just 3 multiple choice exams you can complete it in half a day. Get on Lapware or one of the other programs and run through a practice test, on each, you might find you already know enough to get 70% on them. These 3 tests are baby-hurdles compared to the challenges we all have to face at work on a regular basis.
Do some practice tests, schedule a test time, study a little more, take the tests, pass the tests, done. You CAN do it.
And that will probably take less time than fighting it too.
Why study and take 3 exams if the NMC is wrong?
He can take the easy exam next week and get the license, or he can appeal for months. What happens if NMC turns out to be right? Why tilt at windmills?
- I appreciate the positivity regarding passing the exams… My issue with it is that i already took and passed those exams 3 years ago when i sat for my 500tn nc master license… For arguments sake, lets say a week after passing the 500tn exam, i applied for my upgrade from inland mot to nc mot…would they have me retake the same test a week later for the upgrade? Seems strange… The cfr 46 10.464 part g seems fairly clear regarding requirements to move from inland mot to nc mot for someone already holding a license over 200tn. Anyhow, I have a message in for the evaluator to call me so hopefully we can discuss this. I appreciate all the responses here.
So you hold a master 500 near coastal? You have a completed NC toar and enough time on the route. You can legally sail as master Of towing NC then. Why the hell would you be able to legally sail that way, but if you want it on your license you need to take 3 modules?
That’s ridiculous. That’s what I’d say to them… Why can I sail within the restrictions of my license (>200 tons) with a toar/time but it’s a dog and pony show to get it printed on license? I’d want to hear their cfr citation saying otherwise. Double standard if so?
First of all, good luck with getting the evaluator to call you back. Won’t happen. Email her/him and quote the CFR. They are usually good at responding to emails (2-3 days later). Ask her/him which CFR she/he is going off of. But be polite.
I’ve had good results calling the NMC and asking to speak to the PQE to clear up as it “would be faster to clarify by phone than a long email.” If the evaluator is free they will put you through to save everyone time and aggravation.
+1 on talking to evaluator on phone when possible, I’ve done it.
If you haven’t tested in the last 12 months then you should have to take Rules of the Road too. Just wait until you renew and upgrade to 1600 and add both to your license. As previously posted you should be fine with a completed TOAR.
[QUOTE=tugboat12;150715]Hi- looking for input, perhaps from Mr Cavo. Would post in training and licensing but didn’t seem to be much activity lately and wanted this seen… I hold a 500ton n.c. master lic, with inland master of tow… Sent in completed nc toar and letter with 90 days on route and 30 days training and obsv. in order to change inland mot to n.c. mot… NMC responded saying I must first take nav gen., deck gen, deck safety exams at uscg in order to get NC mot…According to cfr 46 10.464 part g, this is incorrect. A completed toar and evidence of seatime and training should suffice… no? thank you.[/QUOTE]
Since there’s an application at NMC, I can’t respond as to whether NMC is correct or not, my office will handle any appeals of this and I need to be uninvolved should I see that appeal.
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[QUOTE=tugsailor;150727]He can take the easy exam next week and get the license, or he can appeal for months. What happens if NMC turns out to be right? Why tilt at windmills?[/QUOTE]
This is a rare case where it doesn’t hurt to appeal on principle. Since he has the sea time and completed TOAR, and a 500 ton license, he doesn’t need the endorsement in his MMC, he can sail; as master of a near coastal towing vessel now and only need carry the sea time and TOAR documentation. Apart from the risk of losing the completed TOAR, there’s no harm in trying to prevail by the appeal route.
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[QUOTE=Tugboater203;150741]If you haven’t tested in the last 12 months then you should have to take Rules of the Road too. Just wait until you renew and upgrade to 1600 and add both to your license. As previously posted you should be fine with a completed TOAR.[/QUOTE]
I did away with that policy over 5 years ago when I was at NMC.
thank you mr cavo and all others for responses…have an email and phone message in to the evaluator- hoping to hear back. Before sending in this appl., over the previous 3 months, I made 3 calls to the nmc and each time they confirmed that with my license and the completed toar and letter confirming time on route, i actually didn’t even need to send it in to them(as others have already stated here). I really just did it to have it on my lic. and not to have to always make sure i had the toar and letter with me… I guess i’ll just wait to hear from the evaluator… thanks to all…