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If the navee can’t or won’t train them, at least stop giving them access to hammers and damage control plugs.

Unfortunately the Navy (it’s spelled “Navy”) has had opportunities to demonstrate proficiency in damage control over the last 12 months. Those sailors’ abilities to bring their ships home is one silver lining to a particularly dark cloud. But the Fleet will not remain in port until every problem is worked out; to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, “you go to war with the Navy you have, not the Navy you want”. And despite all its issues, there is still no better outfit to sail into harm’s way with than the United States Navy.

I believe he is referencing the Navy plugging a tailtell hole and flooding the main engine sump with seawater recently…

No matter how you spin it, it is rather sad how degraded the competence level is right now, from SWO down through enlisted.

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says the sycophant mouthpiece NAVEE apologist…

with all that we can see how they operate vessels in peacetime how on earth are we supposed to believe they are going to become simply superlative in war? hell, I can see our ships careening into each other willy nilly once the shit starts coming down!


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Someone needs to tell the navee that reefs, bays, and the shipping lanes of the world that provide so many opportunities for sailors to demonstrate their damage control skills are not classed as “harm’s way.”

People who consistently shoot themselves in the foot should not brag about their first aid skills.


She apparently ingested debris on her way from Buffalo to Port Colborne and laid by in the Welland for repairs. This has been documented by local news.

By the time she got to Montreal, the harbor was icey but certainly passable for a steel-hulled vessel, doubly so if they engaged an escort vessel to get them into the open St. Lawrence as commercial traffic was moving without significant hinderance. Instead they stayed at the pier for weeks and by now are most certainly iced in. So what is the basis for the delay? If everything was milk and honey aboard, there is no reason for the ship to allow itself to become beset.

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If you are referring to the Fitz and JSM, where any of those ships damaged to the extent that they were in any danger of sinking or capsizing? Provided watertight doors and hatches were closed, that is.

If heroism and “proficiency in damage control” is limited to the ability to close doors, I agree, there are lots of heroes in the Navy.

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There should be some entertainment value to reading the reports about the Port Colborne and Montreal episodes when somoeone files a FOIA request.

Of course given our new domestic situation FOIA may soon be a thing of the past. It’s not patriotic to ask too many questions about our (insert string of superlatives here) navee and defense contractors.


What is the likelihood that the US Navy will accept this proposal?:

NO CHANCE IN HELL would the Navee accept a ferrin designed vessel which is proven to actually perform


great design they have there where seachests clog up and shut down the ship

except the LITTLE ROCK is aluminum and the NAVEE was likely afraid being underway in a little sea ice would can her hull to crush like an egg’s


Leaving out at what point a DDG exceeds her floodable length, FTZ was worse off than JSM and required far more than just shutting WT doors.

Why leaving out anything??
I obviously don’t know what he criteria for watertight compartmentation of a DDG is, but it SHOULD be better than for merchant ships. (I.e. 2 adjacent compartments flooded)

You both are missing the point of my comment about hammers and damage control plugs.

The items mentioned were used by incredibly untrained and unsupervised sailors to destroy main propulsion diesels because they didn’t know why water was leaking from a mysterious hole and what their stupid response would cost the American taxpayer. Twice!

If the vaunted SWOs on the bridge knew what they were doing there would be no need for heroic acts of damage control after running aground or colliding with merchant ships.

The surface navee is broken, it is incompetent and corrupt and the issues we laugh about here are only symptoms of a much larger problem.

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Freedom class LCS has Steel hull, aluminum superstructure. Same as the USN Cruisers… Don’t see many complaining about Ticonderoga class cruisers structural integrity.

Tico’s were based on the proven Spruance Destroyer hull. OHP FFG’s, were also steel hull aluminum superstructure, and also proved quite robust in over 30 years of service.

Ssssshhh, They need some excuse to keep it out of sight until they figure out how to fix the latest screwup.

Maybe it’s just real thin steel or they are worried about scratching the boot top paint.

Let’s see the Brits had vessels that could not take the heat in the Gulf and now the USN has a baby ship Iced in on the Lakes.

If we ever get into a shooting war we’re screwed!