Maritime Executive magazine plays t-ball with this one and still strikes out


for once I am gonna call BS on Maritime Executive for publishing a puff piece with says ZERO concerning employment opportunities for American mariners other than they will have lots of places to go for training

I especially love the final paragraph

While most of the 1,200 new U.S. seafarers will enter the merchant fleet, they may also have the opportunity of supporting their nation on military vessels or ferrying supplies to U.S. troops overseas, just as their colleagues did during Operation Enduring Freedom (2001-2014) and Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2010) when U.S.-flagged commercial vessels transported over half of all military cargoes to Afghanistan and Iraq. But no matter what career path these newly minted officers select, an ocean of opportunity awaits.

first, why was only half of the military cargo carried on US ships for these operations? SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OF IT!

but the biggest joke here is the final sentence. Where on earth goes this “ocean of opportunity” exist? Certainly not in the USA. Maybe some other planet but not here!

These two issues are what MarEx and Tony Munoz need to write about

Does it Make Sense for Individual Nations to Have Higher Standards than STCW

There is actually a shortage of qualified mariners in the world and the gap between supply and demand is getting wider:

There are no shortage of jobs for those who are able and willing to train and re-train as required to stay current on the latest development in the shipping industry worldwide.

If you have the skills and recognized qualifications to meet the requirements for the jobs offered and are not tied down (or tying yourself down) to serve only on ships of a certain nationality, type or trade, there are well paying jobs available right now.

But to take advantage of the opportunities that exists and will develop, at sea and in shore based Maritime positions, it is imperative to upgrade yourself to meet the demand:…

If you actually believe that all ships under foreign flags are substandard, operated by unscrupulous Owners at a lowest possible safety standard and manned by underpaid villagers from …(take your pick of so called 3rd world countries) you have already lost in the competition for well paying jobs in the world of shipping.


not at all…the world maritime industry is decades ahead of the American excuse for one

the problem for us US mariners is that the world maritime industry doesn’t want us (for many reasons already discussed here in the forum) and thus there are very few places these 1200 newby mariners will be able to turn to find any chance to go to sea (at least as an officer and I still advocate all newly licensed merchant officers sail a year as an AB or QMED before assuming any watch)


There are a few opportunities, other than drilling, to sail foreign flag for US Unlimited officers at about half to 2/3s of US pay rates. I know a a few Americans that have sailed foreign. For every job that pays $10,000 ( half US pay) a month, there are 100 jobs that only pay $3000.

With rare exceptions, there are no foreign jobs available for American limited license holders.

Most advertised and recruited foreign jobs require: unlimited CoC, specific citizenship or visa, or residency requirements, age under 40 or 50, specific foreign training and certificates, etc., etc.etc.

American owners of foreign flag yachts will hire American officers, although they often prefer Brits (it’s mostly a class and service attitude type of thing, the same reason they hire Brit nannies). That is probably the largest source of foreign flag jobs available to US limited license holders.

There seem to be a good number of limited license jobs open in Europe (at half pay), particularly in the offshore wind industry, but only for EU citizens or work visa holders.

I read an article a few weeks ago explaining that officer wage levels are stable because there is no longer a shortage at this time.

The argument that any significant number of American mariners have the option to sail foreign is complete bullshit.


and I still say BULLSHIT!..seriously, how many US officers are sailing foreign flag out there and where are they? Gas Carriers? Specialty tankers? Heavylift? How about the cruise industry?

the fact of the matter is that as long as a US seaman can extend his welfare protections afforded by the Jones Act to a foreign vessel owner who’s vessels call in the US, no owner will take the risk nor will their underwriters allow them to. That is why nobody wants to hire any American mariners.


Ferries on the west coast are hurting for officers. Problem is most are not motivated enough to do the pilotage.


Are all US mariners paid USD 200000/mth.??? No wonder you can’t compete for jobs and there are few US flag ships in international trade. (In oversea waters for OSVs)

Of course most foreign mariners are paid less, but in most cases they are on permanent payroll, with even time and paid time off, 13th month holiday pay and other goodies.

There is also the security of having health care, paid sick leave, unemployment benefits, old age and disability pension etc. covered through a government system, not by your employer via an Insurance company that take a hefty fee in the form of overstaffed and overpaid management and greedy share holders who want their profit to be first consideration.
(OOOPS, sound too much like SOCIALISM!!!)

To work on Drilling Rigs, OSVs, or other such vessels operating in someone’s EEZ waters, will likely require some sort of visa/work permit. But for crew on vessels under foreign flag on short term contracts, or in international trade, there are no such requirements in most countries.

For a foreigner to work on vessels under national flags, whether that be OSVs or any other type of vessels, will usually require some sort of affiliation with the country. Taxes are also deducted, but it give rights to the same benefits as a national.
Coastal trade may come under Cabotage Laws and require citizenship. (Or in the case of Europe, citizenship in any EU/EEA country) For passenger ships and ferries it may also require language skills, other than English.

The problem with US mariners being covered by the Jones Act, even when serving on foreign ships in foreign waters, may be the biggest hurdle. But if US would adapt MLC’06 and scrap that in what in essence is supposed to be a Cabotage Law, that hurdle could be removed.


Hahahahaha. Private industry has been proven, repeatedly and without fail, to be far, far MORE cost efficient than government. Always. (Overstaffed, especially, is what defined government programs, not private business.)


I read puff pieces like those regularly and still call bullshit. There are THOUSANDS of mariners out of work right now, and not just in the US. There is obviously NOT a shortage.

Not by first world standards.


U.S. mariners are NOT covered by the Jones Act on foreign ships in foreign waters. That is a complete misconception.

For example, an American working on a foreign flag vessel in the offshore wind industry, or on an OSV, or a ferry, or a dredger, or whatever else, in Europe, is definitely NOT covered by the Jones Act.

Generally, with exceptions, all mariners of any nationality on any ship of any flag, are covered by the Jones Act in US waters. An injured seaman of any nationality put ashore in the US should be covered.


that is wrong SIR!

As long as an American seaman’s employer has any of its ships entering the US, then the courts can attach any of those vessels even if a US seaman never sets foot on one nor ever serves as a seaman in US waters. The same rules apply for damages…the courts automatically hold that the seaman’s claim is bona fide and the vessel owner must prove to the court in adsolute terms that in no way is that owner a contrubutory part to the injury.

Also I do not believe foreign mariners working on foreign vessels in US waters even have access to US courts in the event they are injured in the course of their employment. If there were, can you just imagine all the dirt poor third world mariners just waiting for their chance to get rich and all the lawyers climbing all over eachother to file thoclaims at 50% of the reward?


It appears that other countries with a government run health care system is doing a lot better then the US private system, both cost wise and health wise. But I assume you prefer to pay more for less, just as long as it doesn’t smell of Socialism??

How many Executives and CEO on VERY high paid are there in your system who’s main task is “to ensure that share holders profit are maximized”??


Taken from MarineJobs today (monthly salaries):

Urgently Required Indian Crew for Dp and Non Dp Vessel…

  1. 3rd officer - 1000$ (only UK n Indian COC)
  2. 4th engineer - 1200$
  3. Ab/ Olier with COP - 750$
  4. Cook - 850$
  5. GS - 550$

For reference, the 3rd Officer and 4th Engineer rates would be the daily wage before the down turn on some drillships. If you could point out some “well paying jobs” I’m sure there are many on the forum that would appreciate it.


On a worldwide basis there are a shortage. That not all the jobs available are high paid by US or European standard is a fact, but a lot would pay better than US unemployment benefits, I believe.

If you would stop comparing the lowest paid “3rd world villagers” with the “Film Star wages” quoted for American mariners, we may get to a more realist point of discussion.

For one thing; there are few uneducated “villagers” employed on ships, even under FoC flags. Most of those ships are owned and operated by serious Ship Managers and in accordance with IMO requirements. Many are owned by US interests and registered in FoC registers also owned and operated from the US.

They are bound by STCW for crew’s education and training standard and have no interest in having their valuable assets manned by unqualified “villagers”. If nothing else, their Underwriters wouldn’t let them.
All major FoC registers are also bound by MLC’06 for crew treatment and living standard.

And as to safety standard, you are welcome to compare the major FoC ships to US flag ships.


I’m not sure what your point is. If the wages are still low then obviously they’re isn’t a worker shortage. I don’t care if the wages are good money for people from the 3rd world, that has no bearing on this discussion

Also, I’m talking about the fact that there are very few jobs posted worldwide and there are, at least, tens of thousands of officers unemployed worldwide.


Search this long list of recruiting agents and you may find your dream job:

The Offshore industry is manning up again. Try here:

Norway is always in the market for top quality people:


That is my point; stop comparing yourself to “3rd world villagers”. That is not who you are competing with for jobs.

They are also not the ones that will “come to America and replace you”, if the Jones Act should be revised to reflect today’s reality and become a Cabotage Law that works for you, not for the Owners who keep on milking a captive market


I hope you’re just pretending to be this dense. If there actually were a worker shortage then companies would pay more to entice more workers to join the industry. Since that hasn’t happened then there ISN’T a worker shortage. These articles are doom and gloom pieces trying to hype up the future “shortage” to try to increase the number of low wage third worlders in the industry so the owners don’t need to pay much for crews.

The owners know the secret to getting people to join the industry but they refuse to accept it, PAY MORE.


You are talking US only, I’m looking at the world. (But especially Europe in this case)
In Europe wages for maritime jobs are largely set by annual bargaining between Unions and Owners Organisation, not individually by each seafarer and each company.

BTW; European Unions are actually functioning as such, not as crewing agents.


Shipowners don’t care about getting people to join the industry. They will hire a crew even from Mongolia if the outfit can work the ship.

Google the number of ships under FOC, these are mostly owners from the rich nations’, and mostly employing crew from the third world.