# Marine Evacuation Systems for ferries etc **URL:** \ **Category:** Marine Safety\ **Created:** [March 12, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603 "2023-03-12T22:40:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/1 "2023-03-12T22:40:39Z")
Several types of MES are available: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/e/7/e726d35b8995ccf972ce87a2b04960e2f36b4ae7.jpeg "Behind The Scenes: Marine Evacuation System (MES)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVAv86QuNa4) [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/1/6/16b98a661e1a14715ad2cabdfbdd741d30430b33.jpeg "Marine Evacuation System-SR III -Piraeus 2013") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyUviKqKswQ) [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/e/1/e1ae5c55b0f48c14aae653f952aa247beddaa49b.jpeg "Marine Evacuation System Deployment") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHRdTmiTiNg) https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?height=640&width=352&href=https://www.facebook.com/Come-Wirh-113804504933196/videos/%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%AC%DB%81%D8%A7%D8%B2%D9%88%DA%BA-%D9%85%DB%8C%DA%BA-%D8%A7%DA%A9%D8%AB%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D8%B3-%D8%B7%D8%B1%D8%AD-%DA%A9%DB%92-%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85-%DB%81%D9%88-%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%AA%DB%92-%DB%81%DB%8C%DA%BA-%D8%A8%DB%81%D8%AA-%D8%AE%D8%B7%D8%B1%D9%86%D8%A7%DA%A9-%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85-%DB%81%DB%92/748105373681964/ Anybody here with experience or opinions on these systems? ---
**Author:** ![Hornblower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecccb3/32.png) [@Hornblower](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hornblower)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 8:57am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/2 "2023-03-13T08:57:39Z")
I think a couple of people have been killed in training accidents on the vertical drop tubes, they get bent double somehow and choke. I’ve watched a few deployments of chutes and slides and they go out quite quickly. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 11:47am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/3 "2023-03-13T11:47:16Z")
Here is one that went off in the wrong place at the wrong time: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/9/7/97cd4ac46b1a73e13aae01a2fc11069cdbf61be0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Meme.Lord](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/meme.lord/32/29401_2.png) [@Meme.Lord](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Meme.Lord)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 1:36pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/4 "2023-03-13T13:36:41Z")
From every demonstration I’ve seen, they work wonderfully on calm sunny days when you’re tied to the dock. ---
**Author:** ![27SAFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/439d5e/32.png) [@27SAFE](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/27SAFE)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 3:00am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/5 "2023-03-14T03:00:46Z")
Wimps! Try doing this drill in the deep end of the swimming pool! That’ll separate the Men from the Boys!! ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 11:29am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/6 "2023-03-14T11:29:09Z")
Yes training takes place in calm water to reduce risk to the trainees and equipment, but has anybody any knowledge of the functionality in real evacuations? Or If there **have been** any case(s) of MES being used in real situations? It appears that these days most real evacuations are done by helicopter winching. PS\>In many cases prematurely due to “pressure” from the rescue service/authorities. ---
**Author:** ![portofdc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@portofdc](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/portofdc)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/7 "2023-03-14T17:38:08Z")
NTSB report discusses the August 17, 2016, fire aboard the roll-on/roll-off passenger vessel Caribbean Fantasy. The fire began in the main engine room when fuel spraying from a leaking flange came in contact with a hot surface on the port main propulsion engine. The fire could not be contained, so the master ordered the ship to be abandoned. MES was deployed with several issues resulting in multiple injuries to passengers and crew. [https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAR1801.pdf#page73](https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAR1801.pdf#page73) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/8 "2023-03-14T21:45:48Z")
> [@portofdc](#): > > Caribbean Fantasy. It looks like there were several problems during this evacuation in calm weather and close to a port with rescue facilities available. (Not all of those with the MES) The reason I raised this question was looking at the new cruise ships that call here In Ålesund these days and the pax they carry. Some have upward of 5000 Pax and crew onboard, many of them elderly and/or infirm and lacking any training in abandonment. I don’t know how many of those ships have MES in place and working, with well trained crews to oversee their use in an evacuation, but it striks me that the old saying that; “the ship is your best lifeboat” has even more validity today. I watch in real time the evacuation from the Viking Sky in March 2019 and realized that to evacuate a ship, even of that size (930 Pax), would have been impossible if she had actually ended up on the rocks. In this case 479 of the 1373 person onboard was evacuated by helicopters, being winched off in high wind in an operation that took several hours. Nobody got hurt in the evacuation. IMO has adopted a resolution and the major classification societies has implemented a notation called; “safe return to port”, which I think is a better idea than any number of MES: > **[normativa\_srtp.pdf](https://www.novelradio.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/normativa_srtp.pdf)** > > 1075.82 KB PS\> Viking Sky was built to meet the SRtP requirements. Comments please… ---
**Author:** ![squidly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@squidly](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/squidly)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/9 "2023-03-16T14:47:39Z")
I recall a test the Navy did on one of these with a couple hundred Marines. Getting them off the ship was no problem. Getting them back on the ship…that was a problem. IIRC, they ended up wading to shore and then going back to the pier. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/10 "2023-03-16T17:09:27Z")
> [@squidly](#): > > Getting them off the ship was no problem. Getting them back on the ship…that was a problem. The purpose of MES is to get OFF a sinking ship quickly. If you need to get back onboard, maybe the “Abandon Ship” order was given too early?? ---
**Author:** ![squidly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@squidly](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/squidly)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 5:22pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/11 "2023-03-16T17:22:28Z")
It was a test to see if a given number could get off in a given period of time. One of those things that wasn’t thought ALL the way through…and that you laugh about years later. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/12 "2024-01-13T21:27:35Z")
> **[Viking Strengthens Marine Evacuation Portfolio with Undertun Acquisition](https://www.marinelink.com/news/viking-strengthens-marine-evacuation-510636)** > > Danish maritime safety solutions company Viking Life-Saving Equipment has acquired rights to manufacture and supply Undertun marine… > [@](#): > > The solution is suitable for the small ferry market due to its easy installation and use. > Catering for up to 150 persons, Undertun MES are especially convenient when installation heights and crew numbers are low, Viking said. > Viking has been the exclusive distributer of compact Undertun MES for several years, where its expertise and support have proved key to market penetration in Norway’s small ferry segment. [https://www.norwep.com/partners/undertun-industri-as](https://www.norwep.com/partners/undertun-industri-as) Undertun is better know for it’s gangways. [https://www.undertun.com/underton-regions/undertun\_norway/](https://www.undertun.com/underton-regions/undertun_norway/) They have even delivered gangways to SpaceX: > [@](#): > > When Elon Musk needed help getting people over to the platform where SpaceX’s space rockets land, an entrepreneur from a small village in Sunnmøre became the solution. > And when the US Navy or Elon Musk’s space project SpaceX were looking for a landing, it was Undertun that delivered. > > CEO Sverre Undertun on the Spacex landing barge: > > ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/f/6/f6e70c421c92aaa588c07b65f84ab0c27d5ba136.jpeg) > Gangway from Undertun is used to transfer personnel to/from the landing barge installed on crew boat: > ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/2/3/233d3de79d1a7a56fd4a807a2c353490c2c70f88.jpeg) > Gangway equipment delivered by Undertun: > ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/1/1/111f1046eddd5f038cca240d91017fa94b92995a.jpeg) Source: [Undertun Industri på Glomset blei leigd inn av SpaceX og Elon Musk og US Navy for å levere landgang – NRK Møre og Romsdal – Lokale nyheter, TV og radio](https://www.nrk.no/mr/undertun-industri-pa-glomset-blei-leigd-inn-av-spacex-og-elon-musk-og-us-navy-for-a-levere-landgang-1.16581595?index=0#album-1-16585755) ---
**Author:** ![Hornblower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecccb3/32.png) [@Hornblower](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hornblower)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/marine-evacuation-systems-for-ferries-etc/65603/13 "2024-01-13T22:06:01Z")
I heard a while ago that the 3.5 metre mean wave height restriction on HSC was due to the maximum swell height that a tethered MES could cope with during an evacuation. Nobody ever came up with any other reason?