# Manning **URL:** \ **Category:** Yachts\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:56am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/manning/61652 "2021-12-11T00:56:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![seventhwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@seventhwave](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/seventhwave)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 12:56am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/manning/61652/1 "2021-12-11T00:56:07Z")
Is a US flagged 333 INTL GT, private, NON chartered, cruising yacht required to have a licensed mate or only a licensed captain? She is 40m long. Can’t seem to find a safe manning requirement and it’s not an inspected vessel. I am a former cruise ship guy who’s moving over to the yachting industry and basically unsure if my MMC even matters at this point since we are non commercial ---
**Author:** ![BCOcean251](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6f9a4e/32.png) [@BCOcean251](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/BCOcean251)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 9:02am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/manning/61652/2 "2021-12-11T09:02:12Z")
Check the CFR’s online. You should probably know this though. ---
**Author:** ![seventhwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@seventhwave](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/seventhwave)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/manning/61652/3 "2021-12-11T12:30:03Z")
Ya know I don’t really need the sarcasm. Obviously I have checked CFR. Again. It’s a private yacht and uninspected ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 1:03pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/manning/61652/4 "2021-12-11T13:03:24Z")
The owner’s insurance company usually determines the manning requirements for private yachts. ---
**Author:** ![tugsailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9adbd/32.png) [@tugsailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tugsailor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 3:39pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/manning/61652/6 "2021-12-11T15:39:19Z")
Last I knew (possibly things have changed), private yachts under 300 US Domestic GRT (that’s probably an older 100’ boat or a newer 150’ of about 500 ITC GT) do not require any licenses at all. There is still a little bit of freedom left in the US. Some insurance companies prefer hired yacht captains to have some sort of license. I’m not current on that at all ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/manning/61652/7 "2021-12-12T12:45:14Z")
> [@seventhwave](#): > > Is a US flagged 333 INTL GT, private, NON chartered, cruising yacht required to have a licensed mate or only a licensed captain? I don’t think there’s any license requirement at all. The owner can run it himself if he wants and he can hire anyone he wants to be his “captain”. His insurance company may have their own stipulations though. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/manning/61652/8 "2021-12-12T12:56:23Z")
Here is what one of the major P&I Clubs recommend: > **[Yacht manning levels - FAQs - The Shipowners’ Club](https://www.shipownersclub.com/lossprevention/yacht-manning-levels-faqs/)** > > The Club is often approached by yacht owners and operators for advice on manning levels. This article answers some of the most frequently asked questions to assist Members with their specific operations. How are minimum safe manning levels... ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 1:34pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/manning/61652/9 "2021-12-12T13:34:46Z")
That’s not very helpful. “Contact the flag state”… ![Screenshot_20211212-093316](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/8/3/8342224f627b711bd384f255cb292df8a60c5855.png) ---
**Author:** ![\_A465B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/e8c25b/32.png) [@\_A465B](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/_A465B)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/manning/61652/10 "2021-12-12T14:22:42Z")
Yes. Once saw an owner take his own Lürssen yacht off the drydock, thru the locks at Kiel Kanal, sea trial it and return it back to the yard. No license but pretty cool to see it happening. So, private yachts no license in USA. In most EU countries one will need a pleasure boat drivers license ie _Sportbootfuhrerschein_ and they’re pretty strict about it ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/manning/61652/11 "2021-12-12T17:30:30Z")
All Nordic countries have similar licensing requirement and standard for recreational boats: > **[Nordic Boat Standard](https://www.sdir.no/en/guides/nordic-boat-standard/)** > > Nordic boat standard has been developed in cooperation between maritime administrations in the Nordic countries. You can download it as pdf on this page. The Norwegian licensing requirements are set by NMA: > **[Boating license and ICC](https://www.sdir.no/en/recreational-craft/certificates/boating-license-and-icc/)** > > All persons born on or after 1 January 1980 need a boating license in order to operate a recreational craft under Norwegian flag of more than 8 metres in length or with an engine with a greater effect than 25 HP. European countries require an International Certificate of Competence (ICC) for anybody operating recreational boats/vessels within their waters. This applies to US citizens as well, although US is not a signatory to UNR40: > **[What is an International Certificate of Competence (ICC)?](https://asa.com/international-certificate-of-competence/)** > > What is the International Certificate of Competence? How do I get an ICC? Am I required to have an ICC when chartering in Europe? We have all the answers... Yes I know: this has nothing to do with manning of recreational vessels under US flag operating in US waters. Just thought it may be helpful to know what others are doing. ---
**Author:** ![\_A465B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/e8c25b/32.png) [@\_A465B](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/_A465B)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/manning/61652/12 "2021-12-12T18:34:37Z")
Tried a while back to rent a boat in Germany together with the ships skipper and chief mate. We were all certificated up the wazoo to the last man … but of course our tix were onboard in the pursers safe. No _Sportbootfuhereschein_ meant no 6m sailboat for us. 😂