# Livestock Carrier Missing off Japan
**URL:** https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562
**Category:** Marine Incidents
**Created:** [September 3, 2020, 6:18am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562 "2020-09-03T06:18:54Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Klaveness](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Klaveness)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2020, 6:18am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/1 "2020-09-03T06:18:54Z")
> **[Livestock carrier in load with 43 crew missing. UPDATES 2 rescued 2 dead –...](http://www.maritimebulletin.net/2020/09/02/livestock-carrier-in-load-with-43-crew-disappeared-after-issuing-distress-signal/)**
Looks like we just had another El Faro.
> It is hard to believe, that Master missed typhoon on converging track with ship’s route, or disregarded typhoon as a threat. Maybe Master miscalculated typhoon trajectory, or maybe he hoped the ship will overtake it. Whatever were the reasons, the ship sailed straight into the typhoon.
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### Author:  [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2020, 8:17am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/2 "2020-09-03T08:17:19Z")
Similar navigating or lack of.But a bit worse than El Faro. Both are horrible.
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### Author:  [@Hornblower](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hornblower)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2020, 8:51am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/3 "2020-09-03T08:51:50Z")
Really appalling.
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### Author:  [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2020, 9:32am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/4 "2020-09-03T09:32:31Z")
From Splash 24/7 today:
> **[Rescued crewmember says livestock ship lost power in typhoon and capsized -...](https://splash247.com/rescued-crewmember-says-livestock-ship-lost-power-in-typhoon-and-capsized/)**
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> One crewmember on the 2002-built livestock carrier has been rescued by the Japan Coast Guard. Sareno Edvarodo, a 45-year-old chief officer from the Philippines, is the sole crewmember to have been found alive following the Panamanian-flagged ship’s...
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### Author:  [@Dutchie](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dutchie)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2020, 10:51am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/5 "2020-09-03T10:51:01Z")
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### Author:  [@Hogsnort](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hogsnort)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/6 "2020-09-03T18:06:58Z")
There were two New Zealanders onboard to oversee the carriage of the livestock.
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### Author:  [@Klaveness](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Klaveness)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2020, 6:42am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/7 "2020-09-04T06:42:22Z")
Second survivor found just a bit too late.
> **[Japan coastguard says second person found from capsized cattle ship has died](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/japanese-coastguard-no-sign-crew-missing-gulf-livestock-1-cattle-ship-capsized-typhoon)**
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> Rescuers search for more than 40 crew from ship carrying 6,000 cattle that went down en route from New Zealand to China
This particular case makes a strong argument for carrying a plb.
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### Author:  [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2020, 9:55am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/8 "2020-09-04T09:55:48Z")
39 of the missing crew members from missing livestock carrier were from the Philippines:
> **[39 Filipinos missing as Japan coast guard hunts for missing cargo ship](https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020/09/03/2039821/39-filipinos-missing-japan-coast-guard-hunts-missing-cargo-ship)**
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> The crew reportedly includes 39 Filipinos, two New Zealanders, an Australian and a Singaporean.
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### Author:  [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/9 "2020-09-04T20:49:44Z")
> **[Third Cattle Ship Crewmember Is Rescued](https://gcaptain.com/cattle-ship-rescue/)**
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> by Akiko Okamoto (Reuters) – A third mariner from a ship that capsized this week off Japan with more than 40 crew and a cargo of cattle on board was...
> A 2019 report by the Australian government on the cattle ship’s transit in June from Australia to Indonesia noted the vessel’s departure was delayed for a week because of **“stability and navigation issues** identified by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority”.
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### Author:  [@New3M](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/New3M)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2020, 11:14pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/10 "2020-09-04T23:14:33Z")
How does one calculate the free surface of cow shit?
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### Author:  [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/11 "2020-09-04T23:29:34Z")
Shit in our shit out. Same weight as the hay and water. Or whatever they feed them. Tragic, nonetheless.
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### Author:  [@New3M](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/New3M)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/12 "2020-09-04T23:53:23Z")
Yea but when they eat the hay and shit it out, it (presumably) gets washed over? So now you have less weight than when you started, and your stability has changed…right?
🤷♂️
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### Author:  [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/13 "2020-09-05T00:07:00Z")
Not gonna debate the metrics of cow shit with you. Captain and/or bridge crew put the crew and animals in harms way. It’s friggin sad any way you look at it.
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### Author:  [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2020, 12:15pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/14 "2020-09-05T12:15:32Z")
It appears they had engine failure.
Start to look similar to the El Faro??
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### Author:  [@ShooterMcGavin](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ShooterMcGavin)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2020, 12:25pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/15 "2020-09-05T12:25:21Z")
Looks like the vegans are pleased about it…
> **[Vegans say 'karma' that Australian-owned Gulf Livestock 1 capsized](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8700053/Vegans-say-karma-Australian-owned-Gulf-Livestock-1-capsized-second-Aussie-identified.html)**
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> The 11,947-ton Australian-owned Gulf Livestock One was carrying 43 crew and 5,800 cows when it got into trouble on Wednesday.
🤦🏻♂️
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### Author:  [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2020, 12:35pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/16 "2020-09-05T12:35:42Z")
The more dangerous free surface is the cows. A few heavy rolls stopped abeam a typhoon’s seas and the barriers of the pens might well not be up to it.
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### Author:  [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2020, 12:36pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/17 "2020-09-05T12:36:19Z")
Other than the age of the ship, looks similar as far as bridge decisions and engine failure.
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### Author:  [@Klaveness](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Klaveness)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/18 "2020-09-05T13:23:54Z")
Yeah, fuck those cows for planning to give away their milk to humans, that’s sinful.
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### Author:  [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2020, 1:50pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/19 "2020-09-05T13:50:43Z")
> [@ombugge](#):
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> Start to look similar to the El Faro??
Some similarities, both sank in typhoons but looks like some significant differences.
The Gulf Livestock 1 is listed at 133,6 meters LOA, 8372 DWT, 18 kts. El Faro was 241 meters, 14971 DWT and 22 kts.
Tactically looks very different. Apparently the Gulf Livestock 1 was trying to cross ahead of TC Maysak. The TC might have intensified more than expected. In worsening seas the smaller ship may not have sufficient SOA to cross as planned.
By contrast the El Faro simply sailed into the eye wall because they were confused as to the location of the eye.
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### Author:  [@Quimby](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Quimby)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/livestock-carrier-missing-off-japan/56562/20 "2020-09-05T14:03:46Z")
> [@Klaveness](#):
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> This particular case makes a strong argument for carrying a plb.
I have carried one for years. Relatively inexpensive considering what is at risk. No brainer no matter where you are.
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