# Large OSV Master to Master Inland AGT
**URL:** https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401
**Category:** Professional Mariner Forum
**Created:** [October 19, 2017, 1:20am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401 "2017-10-19T01:20:27Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Diesel](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Diesel)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/126 "2017-10-20T16:04:25Z")
Understood, that’s why I wanted your input…thanks. All an interesting academic exercise.
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### Author:  [@uniqueusername](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/uniqueusername)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/127 "2017-10-20T16:21:57Z")
Which is what makes me laugh. Last comment was a sarcastic joke because there are so many damn hardos on here. I was self entitled and laughed at but this seems to be quite an interesting topic with many opinions and different interpretations from Mariners with different experiences. It just baffles my mind you can sail as master on a 6000 ton “unlimited tonnage by COI” osv and it does nothing for you towards unlimited master besides skipping chief mate. They (I’m sure someone will ask who I’m referring to so I’ll say I don’t know and don’t really give a sh\*t who) really need to figure it out. And those who say just take the test it’s easy like a 100 ton test is makes me laugh the most. Shouldn’t the test be harder for such a position? The test is just a formality then? Almost like a handout being that simple? Maybe like a free lunch one might say?
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### Author:  [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/129 "2017-10-20T16:54:04Z")
> [@uniqueusername](#):
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> It just baffles my mind you can sail as master on a 6000 ton “unlimited tonnage by COI” osv and it does nothing for you towards unlimited master besides skipping chief mate.
I’m not sure why you think it would do anything for you, you haven’t taken the exam so you don’t get a license. Be happy there a bullshit Large OSV license that allows you to work on vessels greater than 3,000 GT with only having taken the 1,600 ton Master exam.
Why would service of any kind exempt you from the exam? It doesn’t work that way for anyone else…
> [@uniqueusername](#):
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> And those who say just take the test it’s easy like a 100 ton test is makes me laugh the most.
The Master Unlimited **Inland** is a super easy exam, but there’s still no way around it regardless of what prior exams you’ve taken.
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### Author:  [@uniqueusername](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/uniqueusername)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/130 "2017-10-20T17:12:30Z")
By saying
“I’m not sure why you think it would do anything for you, you haven’t taken the exam so you don’t get a license. Be happy there a bullshit Large OSV license that allows you to work on vessels greater than 3,000 GT with only having taken the 1,600 ton Master exam.
Why would service of any kind exempt you from the exam? It doesn’t work that way for anyone else…”
…you are making this almost personal as if I said I’m the only person that should be able to do this. If I have to take the test so be it wouldn’t be the first and certainly isn’t the last. I’m also not the first nor last to think this is crazy. I get why they have a Large OSV endorsement. I just find it funny how you can be a limited master but be sailing in the capacity of unlimited master if looked at in a certain light. You have to admit painted in a way like that is kinda silly and backwards.
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### Author:  [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 5:34pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/131 "2017-10-20T17:34:33Z")
> [@uniqueusername](#):
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> You have to admit painted in a way like that is kinda silly and backwards.
It is silly and backwards. They should require the Unlimited Master exam in order to get a Master Large OSV license.
Sorry, I didn’t mean you personally, here’s what I meant:
> [@Capt\_Phoenix](#):
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> Why would service of any kind exempt one from the exam? It doesn’t work that way for any other upgrade…
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### Author:  [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/132 "2017-10-20T17:37:30Z")
> [@uniqueusername](#):
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> I just find it funny how you can be a limited master but be sailing in the capacity of unlimited master if looked at in a certain light. You have to admit painted in a way like that is kinda silly and backwards.
you are not sailing as an unlimited master on a large OSV because they are not an unlimited tonnage vessel requiring the license…they are large OSVs for CHRIST’S SAKE!
you just happen to be lucky that the USCG created the large OSV category to placate OMSA to not be forced to hire men like me and man those vessels as unlimited. You are the beneficiary of this but YOU STILL WANT FUCKING MORE!
NOW STOP YOUR FUCKING WHINING ABOUT THIS HERE…THERE ARE FEW ON YOUR SIDE AND I AM CERTAINLY NOT ONE OF THOSE!
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### Author:  [@Fraqrat](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Fraqrat)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/133 "2017-10-20T17:54:10Z")
> [@c.captain](#):
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> forced to hire men like me
I’d rather be forced to work for olebugge…
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### Author:  [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/134 "2017-10-20T18:07:40Z")
> [@uniqueusername](#):
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> I just find it funny how you can be a limited master but be sailing in the capacity of unlimited master
You are not sailing as an Unlimited Master since a large OSV doesn’t require one. Honestly, you should feel really fucking lucky that they allow special large OSV licenses at all because otherwise you’d never have a chance to move up from Master 1,600 to an Unlimited license. Be happy you’ve been able to get the sea time you have and go test for Master Unlimited. (Forget the Inland license and just go get Oceans.)
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### Author:  [@Diesel](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Diesel)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/135 "2017-10-20T18:14:14Z")
> [@uniqueusername](#):
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> I just find it funny how you can be a limited master but be sailing in the capacity of unlimited master
You’re not sailing in the capacity of an Unlimited Master. You’re limited tonnage,AND trade restricted. The tonnage just happens to be over 3000. Allowing you to use that time towards an actual unlimited license commensurate with your service. No different than fishing licenses or ITB time. All other requirements stay the same. CCaptain is right, be grateful this avenue exists, by all rights it probably shouldn’t.
But by and large it has been a successful program, with no incidents attributed to it (That I am aware of). At the time of it’s inception there were probably not enough UL license holders out there to who wanted to fill the positions anyway. Only after all the new tech and pay raises did anyone really even take notice.
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### Author:  [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/136 "2017-10-20T18:36:58Z")
> [@Diesel](#):
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> At the time of it’s inception there were probably not enough UL license holders out there to who wanted to fill the positions anyway. Only after all the new tech and pay raises did anyone really even take notice.
BULLSHIT ON THAT! I was there in the GoM at the beginning of large OSVs and was hired by a company (OCLLC) as a backup in case the vessel I was assigned to was not accepted as a large OSV…it was subsea and not supply and the USCG was making noise that it should be a subchapter I miscellaneous vessel which would have made it U/L requiring a U/L master and officers. Obviously, the USCG rolled over and the vessel ended up a large OSV so my position ended up being a dpo (I don’t believe I even made 4th captain in their eyes) working for functionally illiterate captains with faces that looked like a toad! Ironically, the sistership was initially inspected as a U/L subchapter I vessel because it was inspected in Mobile and not Houma but even that was changed eventually.
I had loathed the US offshore industry from before this but afterwards my hatred of all things GoM became set in reinforced concrete. Ultimately, I just became a whore selling my soul to Joe Boss by prostituting myself for his money and from that in 2008, c.captain emerged to contaminate gCaptain with his never ending nasty invective against the avaristic GoM companies and their ignorant serf mariners.
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### Author:  [@Diesel](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Diesel)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/137 "2017-10-20T18:51:30Z")
> [@c.captain](#):
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> BULLSHIT ON THAT! I was there in the GoM at the beginning of large OSVs and was hired by a company (OCLLC) as a backup in case the vessel I was assigned to was not accepted as a large OSV
Easy killer, I think I’m on your side on this one. It was just a theory…
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### Author:  [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/138 "2017-10-20T18:55:05Z")
GOOD LORD! It just occurred to me that any day now will be the tenth anniversary of c.captain’s first post here…something like 12000 of them ago
what a ride it has been in that decade…we’ve had DEEPWATER HORIZON, the plummet in crude prices and crash in the offshore industry, Shell’s Alaska debacle, the loss of the EL FARO, the ORCA and then the DAUNTLESS but saddest of all, the passing of my dear old dad…still today almost 3 years since his death, this captain’s Captain.
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### Author:  [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/139 "2017-10-20T18:57:52Z")
> [@Diesel](#):
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> Easy killer, I think I’m on your side on this one. It was just a theory…
no theory…the OMSA companies never ever wanted educated U/L officers and fought hard to ensure they were able to get their own “good ole boys” stamped approved by the USCG to run new offshore ships just like they were boats.
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### Author:  [@Diesel](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Diesel)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/140 "2017-10-20T18:58:47Z")
> [@c.captain](#):
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> GOOD LORD! It just occurred to me that any day now will be the tenth anniversary of c.captain’s first post here…something like 12000 of them ago
In Gcaptain years I’m 7 months older than you!🕶
But you’re far more prolific, like Brigham Young…
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### Author:  [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/141 "2017-10-20T19:04:40Z")
> [@Diesel](#):
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> But you’re far more prolific, like Brigham Young…
I sure wished many others who had been here over the past decade were still around…I wonder why someone would just completely stop posting?
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### Author:  [@Diesel](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Diesel)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/142 "2017-10-20T19:30:01Z")
🤷♂️ Lack of internet? That was a big one for me…
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### Author:  [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/143 "2017-10-20T19:41:33Z")
> [@jdcavo](#):
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> the vessel’s COI doesn’t specifically provide that a “chief mate” must be carried.
On that note, now that there is a Chief Mate OSV license and Master OSV requires time as Chief Mate, when are OSV COIs going to start requiring Chief Mates?
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### Author:  [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/144 "2017-10-20T20:49:25Z")
> [@Capt\_Phoenix](#):
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> On that note, now that there is a Chief Mate OSV license and Master OSV requires time as Chief Mate, when are OSV COIs going to start requiring Chief Mates?
nevermind
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### Author:  [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/145 "2017-10-20T20:57:53Z")
> [@c.captain](#):
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> the only chief mate license that exists is an unlimited one… the USCG would have to create a large OSV chief mate license which also will not happen.
Umm…
1. You obviously didn’t read my comment very closely.
2. Look up 46 CFR 11.495
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### Author:  [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2017, 11:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/large-osv-master-to-master-inland-agt/46401/146 "2017-10-20T23:04:27Z")
> [@Capt\_Phoenix](#):
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> Umm…
oops…
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