# King's Point Maritime Academy - Cadet Shiphanding Training **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313 "2020-11-03T00:44:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SeaEagle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seaeagle/32/17788_2.png) [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/21 "2020-11-03T14:46:15Z")
As the domers on this site guys know, my son is a KP grad. As a hawespiper, I told him about the bias against the school. Told him to volunteer/ask to drive the ship every chance he got during sea year. He didn’t have to compete with loads of cadets on training ships to get the opportunity. Once he graduated, did the same. Every Captain he sailed with wanted him back. LI Domer, we met the former coach at Suny (nice fellow) at a Navy football camp who was scouting at Annapolis and was interested. He said we don’t do full rides per se, but ROTC and academic does help a lot. So , how many of your classmates that went Maritime got full rides? It ain’t 300 sir. ---
**Author:** ![jdcavo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jdcavo/32/108_2.png) [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/22 "2020-11-03T14:53:52Z")
> [@SeaEagle](#): > > we met the former coach at Suny (nice fellow) at a Navy football camp who was scouting at Annapolis and was interested. He said we don’t do full rides per se At the risk of taking this further off course… SUNY Maritime is Division III, they can’t offer scholarships. ---
**Author:** ![SeaEagle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seaeagle/32/17788_2.png) [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/23 "2020-11-03T14:55:58Z")
Steamer,Those tugboaters/ATB guys have a lot more skills than you seek to demean. ---
**Author:** ![BeerCaptain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@BeerCaptain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/BeerCaptain)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:58pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/24 "2020-11-03T14:58:05Z")
Still not answering the OP’s question. You can start your own thread with personal anecdotes related to your sons KP experience and your opinions/vicarious experiences through him there. ---
**Author:** ![SeaEagle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seaeagle/32/17788_2.png) [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/25 "2020-11-03T15:00:36Z")
My first chuckle of the day. I answered the OP’s question, many posts ago. Perhaps it wasn’t the answer you wanted. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Kennebec\_Captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kennebec_captain/32/13_2.png) [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/26 "2020-11-03T15:02:02Z")
> [@jdcavo](#): > > What shiphandling skills do you expect a 3rd Mate to have? I’d expect that if the ship is at full sea speed and the mate uses enough rudder that shit starts sliding off the chart table and the cavitation is so severe that it seems like the main engine is going to tear loose from the foundation bolts that they would know enough to reduce rudder,. ---
**Author:** ![BeerCaptain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@BeerCaptain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/BeerCaptain)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/27 "2020-11-03T15:05:28Z")
Listing the entire KP curriculum like it’s a recruiting ad? I didn’t see the part about ship handling ---
**Author:** ![SeaEagle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seaeagle/32/17788_2.png) [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/28 "2020-11-03T15:05:41Z")
Kennebec, Exactly the reason I told my son to be on the bridge as much as possible with his ears and eyes open. I’m quite alright telling him that. ---
**Author:** ![jdcavo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jdcavo/32/108_2.png) [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/29 "2020-11-03T15:07:44Z")
> [@Kennebec\_Captain](#): > > I’d expect that if the ship is at full sea speed and the mate uses enough rudder that shit starts sliding off the chart table and the cavitation is so severe So, stuff you can’t experience first hand in a simulator… ---
**Author:** ![SeaEagle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seaeagle/32/17788_2.png) [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/30 "2020-11-03T15:08:42Z")
Correct jdcavo. ---
**Author:** ![Kennebec\_Captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kennebec_captain/32/13_2.png) [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:16pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/31 "2020-11-03T15:16:05Z")
IDK, maybe the instructor could point out to watch ROT, that the ship is not going to answer right away and that the ROT is going to increase through the turn. Standard practice at sea speed is once the ship starts turning to reduce or put the rudder midships. ---
**Author:** ![NH\_Domer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/nh_domer/32/8494_2.png) [@NH\_Domer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/NH_Domer)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:16pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/32 "2020-11-03T15:16:09Z")
> [@SeaEagle](#): > > So , how many of your classmates that went Maritime got full rides? It ain’t 300 sir. How many of your son’s classmates fulfilled thier obligation to US taxpayers to sail on US flagged vessels? ---
**Author:** ![BeerCaptain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@BeerCaptain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/BeerCaptain)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:18pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/33 "2020-11-03T15:18:40Z")
The simulator I trained on could create the noise and the sense of the vessel heeling over. Obviously not the same, but it does provide some semblance of the experience. ---
**Author:** ![BeerCaptain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@BeerCaptain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/BeerCaptain)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/34 "2020-11-03T15:20:00Z")
Damn it man, now we’re going heat the shitty story about how his kid worked in the office where he had to find out who was fulfilling the obligation or not. “It wasn’t a fun gig, and he held those kids accountable. I know him and his teammates don’t speak highly of those who skimp out on the obligation” ---
**Author:** ![SeaEagle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seaeagle/32/17788_2.png) [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:25pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/35 "2020-11-03T15:25:01Z")
I can’t answer a question that has been asked on many posts on this site, my son honored his. Go back and look and my responses to your question regarding the few that don’t. Most of them have for what it’s worth. I answered the OP’s original question. ---
**Author:** ![jdcavo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jdcavo/32/108_2.png) [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/36 "2020-11-03T15:28:36Z")
> [@Kennebec\_Captain](#): > > IDK, maybe the instructor could point out to watch ROT, that the ship is not going to answer right away and that the ROT is going to increase through the turn. Standard practice at sea speed is once the ship starts turning to reduce or put the rudder midships. Something like: 1. Orders the turn left or right more than 45° from the original heading by applying a minimum of 10° and a maximum of 20° of rudder; 2. Reduces rudder as the ship approaches the new course; and 3. Steadies on the new course without over-shooting the course by more than 10 ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/37 "2020-11-03T15:48:41Z")
> [@SeaEagle](#): > > Those tugboaters/ATB guys have a lot more skills than you seek to demean. We are not discussing skills or demeaning them, we are discussing a specific subset of training, skills, and experience in an area in which you have none. ---
**Author:** ![SeaEagle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seaeagle/32/17788_2.png) [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/38 "2020-11-03T15:52:07Z")
As was answered. ---
**Author:** ![BeerCaptain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@BeerCaptain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/BeerCaptain)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/39 "2020-11-03T15:52:50Z")
Still looking for that answer you keep speaking of. Listing the 4 year training cycle is not what was asked ---
**Author:** ![Louisd75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f04885/32.png) [@Louisd75](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Louisd75)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313/40 "2020-11-03T15:54:34Z")
Probably shouldn’t even be stepping back into this discussion without my first cup of coffee… > [@SeaEagle](#): > > How can you do shiphandling sitting at the dock? They don’t just sit at the dock. The ship sails. While it sails they do not use autopilot. Yes, all they do is hand steer. Everyone in the deck track gets a shot. Anyone in the engine track can take a turn if they want. Want to know how much hand steering a cadet on my ship gets to do? None. We’re in the business to make money and our schedule is frequently close enough that we can’t afford the time lost if they screw it up. Maneuvering we have someone with experience at the wheel. > [@SeaEagle](#): > > So, you and Lois are perturbed that you didn’t get the “free ride” . Did you apply and get turned down? Not even in the slightest. I haven’t lived under my parent’s roof since I was about 15. I finished highschool couch surfing. I lived paycheck to paycheck working various jobs. One of my HS buddies father was a nuke engineer at SONGS. He took me aside a couple of times to talk about my future and tried to get me interested in a program that his company had. It was similar to hawsepiping, but in the Nuc field. To cut a long story down, I’d met several mechanical engineers through my various jobs. Between them and my buddy’s dad it got me started looking at options for school. I was in my early 20’s at this point. I applied to exactly one college and got in. I picked CMA because it had small class sizes and an ABET accredited degree in Mechanical Engineering. I financed my entire education through loans. I had no interest in sailing when I applied, that came as I went through the curriculum. > [@SeaEagle](#): > > My first chuckle of the day. I answered the OP’s question, many posts ago. Perhaps it wasn’t the answer you wanted. Oh well. No you didn’t. You did a marvelous job of talking around the question and throwing up a lot of words that sorta look like an answer. > [@BeerCaptain](#): > > “It wasn’t a fun gig, and he held those kids accountable. I know him and his teammates don’t speak highly of those who skimp out on the obligation” … and they’ve been taken off of the alumni Christmas Card list… I still say make them go active duty or MSC. [Previous page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/kings-point-maritime-academy-cadet-shiphanding-training/57313.md?page=3)