# Is the coast guard preparing for WAR? **URL:** \ **Category:** Scuttlebutt\ **Created:** [April 11, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089 "2013-04-11T16:01:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![albertpachino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/albertpachino/32/946_2.png) [@albertpachino](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/albertpachino)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/1 "2013-04-11T16:01:12Z")
Did I miss the memo? Is the USCG preparing for a war?? Or is does their commandant just like [wearing stupid hats](http://gcaptain.com/forum/united-states-coast-guard/7300-pointy-hat-boss.html)? ![](http://cf.gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/dsc_8515_2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![albertpachino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/albertpachino/32/946_2.png) [@albertpachino](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/albertpachino)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/2 "2013-04-11T16:04:41Z")
Or maybe he’s just starting a new cult? ![](http://cf.gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ADM-Papp-and-PO3-Tiffany-Moore-2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![PaddyWest2012](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/paddywest2012/32/2405_2.png) [@PaddyWest2012](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/PaddyWest2012)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/3 "2013-04-11T16:07:36Z")
He reminds me a little bit of a taller, balder Barney Fife ---
**Author:** ![albertpachino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/albertpachino/32/946_2.png) [@albertpachino](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/albertpachino)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/4 "2013-04-11T16:13:31Z")
And what’s with that medal strapped to his chest? Did he join the french foreign legion?? ![](http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/files/2012/04/120322-G-ZX620-038.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![cmjeff](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/cmjeff/32/124_2.png) [@cmjeff](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/cmjeff)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/5 "2013-04-11T17:22:13Z")
A little birdie in D.C. told me that Papp reads gCaptain daily but is NOT a fan! ---
**Author:** ![PaddyWest2012](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/paddywest2012/32/2405_2.png) [@PaddyWest2012](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/PaddyWest2012)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/6 "2013-04-11T17:56:04Z")
[QUOTE=cmjeff;105354]A little birdie in D.C. told me that Papp reads gCaptain daily but is NOT a fan![/QUOTE] Then he needs to get his head in the game and realize the true rights and wrongs of the maritime industry and realize that his cronies are frequently, not always but still frequently, on the WRONG side. ---
**Author:** ![BMCSRetired](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/bmcsretired/32/1005_2.png) [@BMCSRetired](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/BMCSRetired)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/7 "2013-04-11T18:04:32Z")
Not much chance of that. He is a cutter guy but as is usual with lifelong USCG guys, the only thing they know about the commercial side is what is spoon fed by lobbyists or finds about in reports which are normally related to accidents and mishaps. ---
**Author:** ![c.captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/c.captain/32/807_2.png) [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/8 "2013-04-11T21:08:34Z")
God how I wished the USCG was like the Canadian Coast Guard…CIVILIAN! Give someone a military rank and the power rush goes right to their effing heads. Same crap at NOAA. WTF do they need to be a uniformed service for? ---
**Author:** ![cmjeff](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/cmjeff/32/124_2.png) [@cmjeff](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/cmjeff)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/9 "2013-04-11T22:07:24Z")
[QUOTE=BMCSRetired;105366]Not much chance of that. He is a cutter guy but as is usual with lifelong USCG guys, the only thing they know about the commercial side is what is spoon fed by lobbyists or finds about in reports which are normally related to accidents and mishaps.[/QUOTE] As a cutter guy I would think he’d be interested in commercial ships if for no other reason than they are friggin huge. I’m not trying to belittle the cg but their largest cutter is smaller than anything I’er ever worked and they are much less complex than my current vessel. How could you call yourself a man and not want to know more about the largest moving objects ever built by man? How could you call yourself a sailor without ever dreaming about being at the helm of the world’s largest ship? How could you call yourself an Admiral without realizing that commercial ships are the lifeblood of any democracy? And how can you wear a pointy hat and call yourself a historian without understanding that the navy and cutter service were created to protect and serve merchant ship and merchant sailors, not the other way round. I respect the USCG but I don’t respect any admiral who has countless photos of himself impersinating a SWAT team cop and military commando in fatigues and no pictures of him on the bridge of a commercial ship. Not to mention countless photos of himself with military and government dignitaries and no photos with the real mariners. john… Has der commandant ever invited a gCaptain journalist to his state of the coast guard speech or any other official function in DC? Has he even once offered to fly you out to USCG headquarters to shake hands? ---
**Author:** ![c.captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/c.captain/32/807_2.png) [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 1:04am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/10 "2013-04-12T01:04:06Z")
I have always advocated the USCG separate into two distinct organizations. The military one would operate the white and red hulls, planes, helicopters, rescue and harbor patrol craft and a civilian one which would take over oversight of newbuilds and overhauls for all the USCG fleet, aids to navigation including operating the black hulls, mariner licensing, ship and marine facilities inspections, VT services and communications. I am firmly convinced that wherever the military component is eliminated from an essential government function that cost savings accrue especially if a service is contracted out to the private sector to perform for the government. Personally, all of the armed functions of the USCG could easily be melded into the Navy as well. Why should it not be legal for a Navy vessel to do coastal patrols? They do it now with a USCG contingent aboard so why do we need high endurance cutters? WE NEED ECONOMY OF OPERATIONS THESE DAYS and that’s something brass hats in any service simply cannot grasp! ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/11 "2013-04-12T03:12:04Z")
[QUOTE=c.captain;105399]WE NEED ECONOMY OF OPERATIONS THESE DAYS and that’s something brass hats in any service simply cannot grasp![/QUOTE] They understand very well that a pet congressman, a big budget and lots of lackeys is the same as having a big dick, good looks, and a brain. When everything else is missing, go for the bloat. ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/12 "2013-04-12T03:21:23Z")
[QUOTE=albertpachino;105349]And what’s with that medal strapped to his chest? Did he join the french foreign legion?? [/QUOTE] I wish he had. We might all be better off. These guys make me think about the big hats in N. Korea or the middle of Africa, the less they have to offer, the bigger the idiot they are the more medals and wrist bracelets they wear. They make the pre-revolution French poofters look modest. Here is the guy who won the Second World War in the Pacific … who do you think earned a medal? [ATTACH]3282[/ATTACH] Anyone have any idea why Firefox won’t put a photo inline? ---
**Author:** ![cmakin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/48db29/32.png) [@cmakin](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/cmakin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 3:44am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/13 "2013-04-12T03:44:13Z")
Wait, wait, wait, wait. . . .camo? Really? For the Coast Guard? I am not aware that there is that much vegetation at sea. . . . Oh. . . never mind. . . . ---
**Author:** ![john](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/john/32/5_2.png) [@john](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/john)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 8:49am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/14 "2013-04-12T08:49:54Z")
[QUOTE=cmjeff;105391]john… Has der commandant ever invited a gCaptain journalist to his state of the coast guard speech or any other official function in DC? Has he even once offered to fly you out to USCG headquarters to shake hands?[/QUOTE] Has Adm Papp ever contacted gCaptain? no ---
**Author:** ![Skiing\_Salem\_Sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Skiing\_Salem\_Sailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Skiing_Salem_Sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:24am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/15 "2013-04-12T11:24:00Z")
[QUOTE=BMCSRetired;105366]Not much chance of that. He is a cutter guy but as is usual with lifelong USCG guys, the only thing they know about the commercial side is what is spoon fed by lobbyists or finds about in reports which are normally related to accidents and mishaps.[/QUOTE] You would think that those in the top leadership positions would be intelligent enough to see through the BS created by the sources you mention, and thus from a better picture of how thing really are based on multiple information outlets. ---
**Author:** ![Skiing\_Salem\_Sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Skiing\_Salem\_Sailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Skiing_Salem_Sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:27am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/16 "2013-04-12T11:27:27Z")
[QUOTE=albertpachino;105345]Did I miss the memo? Is the USCG preparing for a war?? Or is does their commandant just like [wearing stupid hats](http://gcaptain.com/forum/united-states-coast-guard/7300-pointy-hat-boss.html)? ![](http://cf.gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/dsc_8515_2.jpg)[/QUOTE] I would suspect he was present during live fire exercises and was simply wearing the required protective gear. Lead by example right? ---
**Author:** ![PaddyWest2012](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/paddywest2012/32/2405_2.png) [@PaddyWest2012](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/PaddyWest2012)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 12:27pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/17 "2013-04-12T12:27:31Z")
[QUOTE=Skiing Salem Sailor;105443]I would suspect he was present during live fire exercises and was simply wearing the required protective gear. Lead by example right?[/QUOTE] Well if that was the case then he deserves at least that much credit. They don’t always do the right thing, and whether they do or not they often look quite ridiculous, but at the end of the day even a broken clock is right twice… ---
**Author:** ![Bloodyshitcakes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/bloodyshitcakes/32/181_2.png) [@Bloodyshitcakes](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Bloodyshitcakes)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 1:31pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/18 "2013-04-12T13:31:00Z")
[QUOTE=c.captain;105387] Give someone a military rank and the power rush goes right to their effing heads. Same crap at NOAA. WTF do they need to be a uniformed service for?[/QUOTE] Damn right! 300 or so uniformed officers and not one single enlisted. All of the crews are civilian. Disbanding the NOAA Corps would create quite few jobs for higher tonnage deck officers. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/quimby/32/3448_2.png) [@Quimby](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 2:52pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/19 "2013-04-12T14:52:26Z")
[QUOTE=Bloodyshitcakes;105451]Damn right! 300 or so uniformed officers and not one single enlisted. All of the crews are civilian. Disbanding the NOAA Corps would create quite few jods for highe tonnage deck officers.[/QUOTE] I second that motion. ---
**Author:** ![commtuna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@commtuna](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/commtuna)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089/20 "2013-04-12T16:24:59Z")
CG will never be part of the Navy because we have law enforcement authority whereas the Navy does not. Yes we have CG LEDETS that deploy on Navy ships for the purposes of LE, but its those teams that are doing the boardings. As far as the fatigues go, there are many uniforms that the general public do not see us wear. Blue, green, jungle, digital and desert patters are all in use for specific purposes… [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/is-the-coast-guard-preparing-for-war/10089.md?page=2)