If this has been discussed before please link it.
I am always curious about the #'s as I really don’t have a concept of it. Is there any official #'s or solid educated guesses? I am really curious as to the break down by license sizes:
OUPV, 25T, 50T, 100T, 200T, 500T, 1600T, Unlimited, as well as all of the oddball sizes handed out over the years!
It’s a few years old, but as accurate as you’re going to get informally is the list on page 39 of the USCG Proceedings for Summer '05:
http://homeport.uscg.mil/cgi-bin/st/portal/uscg_docs/MyCG/Editorial/20060112/Nat’lMaritC-Sum05FINAL.pdf?id=dd52f22ccd964dcd7938ae3461d73769168c6286
Mr Cavo:
Thanks for the link. Unfortunately I got a message:
“UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS DETECTED”
</PRE>Would it be possible for you to do a cut and paste?
Many thanks
Try this, page 39:
Mr. Cavo…Thanks for the info, but I am not able to open it either. I also tried to go to the site and search it out, but had no luck. Steamer…I had the same thing with your link. any copy and paste, or an accessible link would be very interesting and appreciated! Thanks 
I did too. I hope the CGIS doesn’t come knocking asking why were attempting unauthorized access. 
(just kidding)
U.S. Merchant Marine: Summary Statistics From the summer 2005 USCG Proceedings
TOTAL NUMBER / WITH STCW
Mariners with an MMD only 66,870 / 16,322
Mariners with a license only 95,789 / 4,166
Mariners with both a license and an MMD 42,176 / 28,674
Mariners with one or more qualified Deck Dept. ratings 36,618
Mariners with one or more qualified Engine Dept. ratings 16,921
Mariners with any Tankerman rating 18,214
Mariners with only entry–level ratings 43,339
Mariners with only entry–level ratings + lifeboatman 2,598
Description Number of Mariners
Master Ocean Any 3,411
Master Near Coastal Any 93
Chief Mate Ocean Any 875
Chief Mate Near Coastal Any 3
Second Mate Ocean Any 1,417
Second Mate Near Coastal Any 8
Third Mate Ocean Any 3,475
Third Mate Near Coastal Any 102
Master Ocean Not More Than 1,600 tons 5,089
Master Near Coastal Not More Than 1,600 tons 2,742
Mate Ocean Not More Than 1,600 tons 286
Mate Near Coastal Not More Than 1,600 tons 985
Master Ocean Not More Than 500 tons 579
Master Near Coastal Not More Than 500 tons 1,269
Mate Ocean Not More Than 500 tons 78
Mate Near Coastal Not More Than 500 tons 181
Master Ocean Not More Than 200 tons 180
Master Near Coastal Not More Than 200 tons 2,184
Mate Near Coastal Not More Than 200 tons 972
Master Near Coastal Not More Than 100 tons 2,662
Master Uninspected Fishing Industry Vessel 804
Mate Uninspected Fishing Industry Vessel 204
Master (OSV) 130
Chief Mate (OSV) 1
Mate (OSV) 19
Master Great Lakes and In. Any 305
Mate Great Lakes and In. Any 222
Master Great Lakes and In. Not More Than 1,600 tons 155
Mate Great Lakes and In. Not More Than 1,600 tons 53
Master Great Lakes and In. Not More Than 200 tons 30
Mate Great Lakes and In. Not More Than 200 tons 12
Master Inland Any 1,049
Mate Inland Any 241
Master Inland Not More Than 200 tons 438
Mate Inland Not More Than 200 tons 353
Master Inland Not More Than 100 tons 7,451
Mate Inland Not More Than 100 tons 40
First Class Pilot 3,541
OUTV/Master Towing 13,336
2ND-Class OUTV/Mate (Pilot) 185
Apprentice Mate (Steersman) 84
Operator Uninspected Towing Vessel 30,518
Assistant Towing Endorsement 21,332
Offshore Installation Manager (OIM) 1,784
Barge Supervisor (BS) 632
Ballast Control Operator 351
Chief Engineer Motor 3,175
1ST Asst. Eng. Motor 1,062
2ND Asst. Eng. Motor 1,151
3RD Asst. Eng. Motor 3,940
Chief Engineer Steam 2,204
1ST Asst. Eng. Steam 985
2ND Asst. Eng. Steam 1,108
3RD Asst. Eng. Steam 3,974
Chief Eng; Turbine 2,256
1st Asst. Eng. Turbine 876
2nd Asst. Eng. Turbine 934
3rd Asst. Eng. Turbine 2,105
Chief Engineer (Limited-Ocean) 1,466
Assistant Engineer (Limited-Ocean) 448
Chief Engineer (Limited-Near Coastal) 438
Designated Duty Eng. 2,379
Chief Eng; Uninspected Fish. Ind. Vsl. 589
Assistant Engineer Fish. Ind. 114
Chief Engineer MODU 114
Assistant Engineer MODU 0
Chief Engineer (OSV) 534
Engineer (OSV) 7
Radio Officer 335
Chief Purser 189
Purser 65
Sr. Asst. Purser 26
Jr. Asst. Purser 138
Medical Doctor 86
Professional Nurse 85
Surgeon 3
RATING Number of Mariners
Able Seamen
AB-Special 3,649
AB-Limited 3,491
AB-Unlimited 11,870
AB-Special(OSV) 3,241
AB-MOU 2,463
AB-Fishing 173
AB-Sail 299
Qualified Member of the Engine Department
QMED-Deck Engine Mechanic 179
QMED-Deck Engineer 924
QMED-Electrician 1,199
QMED-Engineman 191
QMED-Junior Engineer 1,505
QMED-Machinist 755
QMED-Oiler 4,583
QMED-Pumpman 1,303
QMED-Refrigerating Engineer 859
QMED-Fireman/Watertender 2,382
QMED-Any Rating 865
Lifeboatman
Lifeboatman 19,810
Tankerman
Tankerman-Pic 4,291
Tankerman-Pic (Barge) 8,71
Tankerman-Engr 901
Tankerman-Asst 4,464
Licensed Officer Ratings
Any Unlic Rating in Deck Dept Except AB 995
Any Unlic Rating in Deck Dept Includ AB 12,214
Any Unlicensed Rating in Engine Dept 11,137
Cadet/Deck or Engine 3,587
Entry Level Mariners 43,339
Thanks for the copy/paste!
What do you guys think of these #'s? Do you think there are a lot more licenses now, or that it is staying pretty even? Is it more or less than you thought? I honestly had no idea what to expect. I think overall the #'s are probably lower than what I would have guessed, but who knows where we are at now. I recently had over 20 people in my 500/1600 prep class, so these #'s may be jumping big time. Whatever the case I find it very interesting
When I see all laid out in a list like this it shows how unnessesary having so many different licenses and ratings are. All these incements of tonnage and route wastes administrative time as well as applicates time and everyones money. I guess the proposed CFR change will cut out some but not enough.
Wonder if anyone has come across some updated numbers. Especially considering the latest medical refusals.
In 2009, only 466 mariners, or 0.6 percent, failed their medical review.
In 2010, the number of medical denials had risen to 650, or 1.1 percent.
In 2011, the number of medical denials reached 1,676, or 2.6 percent of the total applicant pool.
[QUOTE=Jeffrox;29394]When I see all laid out in a list like this it shows how unnessesary having so many different licenses and ratings are. All these incements of tonnage and route wastes administrative time as well as applicates time and everyones money. I guess the proposed CFR change will cut out some but not enough.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. Amen.
From USCG Proceedings Fall 2008
DESCRIPTION… TOTAL… With STCW
MMD only… 72,179… 16,262
License only… 97,235… 2,712
Both License and MMD 44,489… 27,639
TOTALS… 213,903… 46,613
So by now that’s probably about 35,000 guys with a license (over 100 tons), a MMC, and STCW that would allow them to work offshore.
Figuring that probably half of those guys are not sailing or likely to sail again in future, that leaves a licensed labor pool of about 16,000 available to the offshore companies.
Anybody have any idea of how many guys are needed to keep the offshore labor pool at adequate levels for the boat and drilling companies?
[QUOTE=Jeffrox;29394]When I see all laid out in a list like this it shows how unnessesary having so many different licenses and ratings are. All these incements of tonnage and route wastes administrative time as well as applicates time and everyones money. I guess the proposed CFR change will cut out some but not enough.[/QUOTE]
You’re ex-Navy. When, other than the military, has the government ever gotten smaller and more efficient?
If you think the CFR changes are going to do anything Sir, you probably believe that one of the two guys running for president is the best man for the job. I can assure you, they are not…
[QUOTE=Jon;29087]I did too. I hope the CGIS doesn’t come knocking asking why were attempting unauthorized access. (just kidding)[/QUOTE]
CGIS? There is an oxymoron for you.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;78102]So by now that’s probably about 35,000 guys with a license (over 100 tons), a MMC, and STCW that would allow them to work offshore.
Figuring that probably half of those guys are not sailing or likely to sail again in future, that leaves a licensed labor pool of about 16,000 available to the offshore companies.
Anybody have any idea of how many guys are needed to keep the offshore labor pool at adequate levels for the boat and drilling companies?[/QUOTE}
I wonder how many people are on the list that Jeffrox posted more than one time. some or probably most people have more than one license, say a 500 ton master with a 1600 mate, 100 ton sailing master, AB unlimited lifeboatman, with a tankerman PIC. Does this list account for that or does it only count the highest grade licensed? Some of the numbers seem kind of weird to me, I have a hard time believing there are twice as many unlimited chiefs as there are chief limited oceans, that does not really seem right. The question tugsailor asked about the number of marniers needed got me thinking so I did a quick scan of the major boat companies in the GOM, that even seemed weird to me, about the number of boats some of them own, I got these numbers off the company’s websites.
ECO has listed owning or operating 150 vessels, I could not find a break down by class.
HOS has listed 50 OSV’s and MPSV’s plus 16 tugs
OC lists 18 OSV and MPSV but half of them are in Brazil, and 3 tugs
Harvey gulf has listed 11 OSV’s and 8 tugs
GOL Lists 11 deep water OSV and 20 shelf boats
Gulfmark lists 20 OSV’s in the GOM.
That is only 307 vessels, with everything from crew boats to AHTS’s stuck in there. It would be hard to figure out how many crew are actually needed because of day for day scheldules 2 for 1. people moving around and such. Even giving an average of 15 crew members per boat, counting folks at home that only comes out to just a little over 4600 people. That is no where near 16,000. The actuall licensed marine crew on drilling rigs and drill ships can’t be really that big, there are only about 45 rigs in the gulf, with aobut the same maybe 15 to 20 marine crew onboard. I wonder how many people are on the east and west coast? I wonder where these 16,000 people are at?
I’d really like to see age distribution of stcw license/ratings. Does uscg have that tallied up anywhere? That will help understand labor pool better.
One would think that the USCG could easily do a zip code and age analysis of its data base, along with rate of change, One would think that agencies like MARAD would need that sort of data.
I think Workboat had a break down of offshore workers by age, 50-60 was about 1/3, 40 to 50 was about 1/4, and 60-70 was about 1/5th. These were the three biggest age groups as I recall.
I was surprised by the relatively small number of unlimited licenses, especially given the way that the academies have been cranking them out over the past 50 years. I’m surprised that there are 7700 Master 1600 licenses floating around, and 30,000 OUTV licenses. I had expected the majority of licenses to be 100 ton, but there are not as many as I had expected.
[QUOTE=BMCSRetired;78111]You’re ex-Navy. When, other than the military, has the government ever gotten smaller and more efficient?
If you think the CFR changes are going to do anything Sir, you probably believe that one of the two guys running for president is the best man for the job. I can assure you, they are not…[/QUOTE]
My comment is 2 1/2 years old and how did it get connected with the upcoming presidential election? I don’t really care though, this week I have bigger fish to fry, some of them in my yard. Gotta get back to mucking river mud out of my house.