# Here we go again...new industry same old BULLSHIT! **URL:** \ **Category:** Maritime News\ **Created:** [April 7, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027 "2021-04-07T17:21:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Tcaptain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Tcaptain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tcaptain)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/41 "2021-04-09T22:47:59Z")
Do we have any American flagged wind installation vessels?? No we don’t. Knowledge is power. [Dominion Energy Continues Development of First Jones Act Compliant Offshore Wind Turbine Installation Vessel](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/dominion-energy-continues-development-of-first-jones-act-compliant-offshore-wind-turbine-installation-vessel-301194370.html) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/42 "2021-04-10T12:49:53Z")
> [@tugsailor](#): > > If Americans are not allowed to work on foreign wind installation projects, that certainly foreigners cannot be allowed to work on American wind installation projects. Treats gets you nowhere. Plenty of Offshore wind projects around the world to work on. ---
**Author:** ![jdcavo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jdcavo/32/108_2.png) [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/43 "2021-04-10T14:43:27Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > Treats gets you nowhere. They worked pretty well training my dogs… ---
**Author:** ![Nuke\_Sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e68b1a/32.png) [@Nuke\_Sailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Nuke_Sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 1:54pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/44 "2021-04-11T13:54:36Z")
Perhaps it is time for a good old fashioned Blockade? ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 1:57pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/45 "2021-04-11T13:57:13Z")
Good idea!!! Block ALL US port NOW!!! ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 11:20am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/46 "2021-04-14T11:20:58Z")
Good news. Offshore stone dumping vessel will be built in the US, flagged US, owned US and manned by US mariners: > **[Ulstein wins engineering contract for US rock installation vessel - Splash247](https://splash247.com/ulstein-wins-engineering-contract-for-us-rock-installation-vessel/)** > > North America’s dredging player Great Lakes Dredge & Dock (GLDD) has contracted Norwegian shipbuilder and designer Ulstein to carry out the integration engineering for its new Jones Act-compliant rock installation vessel for the offshore wind... Precision stone dumping to cover cables and pipelines is important for both the Offshore Wind, Offshore Oil & Gas, Shipping and Fishing industries. Stone cover is important to protect cables and pipelines from anchors and trawling, as well as stabilizing seabed infrastructure. PS\> Not BULLSHIT!!! ---
**Author:** ![boatflounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/67e7ee/32.png) [@boatflounder](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/boatflounder)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 11:45am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/47 "2021-04-16T11:45:45Z")
The only reason they won’t reflag american if they can get away with it is crew cost. as far as installing wind turbines, it’s not rocket science, have never seen one built but have been working offshore construction for over 10 years and every platform is different and we get them all built. the turbines should be easy as they are all basically the same, as far as marine crew it doesnt matter to me what i am next too, i just keep the ship there. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/48 "2021-04-16T12:10:19Z")
> [@boatflounder](#): > > as far as marine crew it doesnt matter to me what i am next too, i just keep the ship there. What kind of offshore construction vessel have you been on? Earlier offshore construction was done by barges held in position by anchors: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/0/c/0c77de0a7d11a3dddb46aa48fa1091a6e5727605.jpeg) Today it is mostly done by SSCVs that operates on DP: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/d/8/d848f5a0f2fc4d129ebb7c968403fde97d11ea02.jpeg) Wind turbine foundations are installed by vessels like this: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/8/d/8d5e96d2299989f5c4c7be9a29afbb14bf296a7a.jpeg) Also operating on DP While the transition pieces, Nacelles and blades are installed by vessels like this: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/8/2/82437c9d5f0d1128e72829216c1760d2277f3866.jpeg) The equipment used in the installation is also different: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/2/4/248beaded9d82f8eff4947bad92f141cb5909028.jpeg) Gould Services and DEME Group have successfully performed the load-in, assembly and preparations for load out of the new Offshore Drill Equipment for the French windfarm at Saint Nazaire. ---
**Author:** ![boatflounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/67e7ee/32.png) [@boatflounder](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/boatflounder)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 12:31pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/49 "2021-04-16T12:31:54Z")
i have worked on multiple DP vessels doing all types of construction. mainly on a 4000t crane ship that has built all kinds of different structures from 100’ water depth to 10000’ depth, and every project is different. biggest issue i see on any of the wind vessels would be boredom from continually doing the exact same thing. ---
**Author:** ![SeaEagle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seaeagle/32/17788_2.png) [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 3:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/50 "2021-04-16T15:30:15Z")
You are always on it Bug. I enjpy your posts. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 11:44am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/51 "2021-04-19T11:44:09Z")
> **[Wind energy costs expected to drop significantly by 2035, more by 2050 -...](https://splash247.com/wind-energy-costs-expected-to-drop-significantly-by-2035-more-by-2050/)** > > The Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, part of the University of California, conducted a survey in 2020 of 140 of the ‘world’s foremost wind power experts’ and published results this month. According to those experts, technology and commercial... ---
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 12:55pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/52 "2021-04-19T12:55:28Z")
I note the survey considered everything except subsidies and the political impetus towards wind energy and against fossil fuels. If you make other forms of energy generation illegal, uneconomic, overtaxed, unable to grow, subject to overzealous environmental standards, then obviously wind can benefit from increased research and development. I’m automatically suspicious of studies by an avowedly Leftist university surveying industry insiders about their prospects for continued growth and development. What possible chance of respondents telling them they only survive if the politics of the nations they service gives them unfair preference? ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/53 "2021-04-19T14:59:13Z")
> [@Jughead](#): > > I’m automatically suspicious of studies by an avowedly Leftist university surveying industry insiders But perfectly content with the products of studies financed by the oil and coal lackeys? Whinging about efforts to reduce pollution by heavily subsidized political contributors does nothing to improve the condition of the generations that follow us. ---
**Author:** ![tengineer1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@tengineer1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tengineer1)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/54 "2021-04-19T16:58:03Z")
> [@Steamer](#): > > But perfectly content with the products of studies financed by the oil and coal lackeys? Whinging about efforts to reduce pollution by heavily subsidized political contributors does nothing to improve the condition of the generations that follow us. Troll’s been radicalized. To hear him tell it universities are leftists. Reminds me of totalitarian modus operandi. First you eliminate the educated. I get concerned when anyone singles out and denigrates the educated as elite. Do they wish for idiots to control? ---
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/55 "2021-04-19T23:36:02Z")
> [@Steamer](#): > > Whinging about efforts to reduce pollution by heavily subsidized political contributors does nothing to improve the condition of the generations that follow us. CO2 isn’t pollution. It’s essential for all life on earth. How many bald eagles have your wonderful wind farms shredded today? ---
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 11:45pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/56 "2021-04-19T23:45:13Z")
> [@tengineer1](#): > > To hear him tell it universities are leftists. Aaaah, yes. Universities are stacked to the gills with Leftists … learning the “totalitarian modus operandi” of Saul Alinsky. > [@tengineer1](#): > > I get concerned when anyone singles out and denigrates the educated as elite. Do they wish for idiots to control? “I would rather be governed by the first two thousand people in the Boston telephone directory than by the two thousand people on the faculty of Harvard University.” Buckley ---
**Author:** ![c.captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/c.captain/32/807_2.png) [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 2:15am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/57 "2021-04-20T02:15:53Z")
please desist from furthering this and return to the topic of the thread if you would be so kind… ---
**Author:** ![Steveisme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@Steveisme](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steveisme)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 2:50am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/58 "2021-04-20T02:50:12Z")
So “The Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory” is 30 + miles from the people’s republic of bezerkley. The “leftists” I knew there were a machinist making triggering devices for nuclear bombs, the head of OSHA compliance and the phyisct designing bombs. You figure out their leanings. ---
**Author:** ![SeaEagle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seaeagle/32/17788_2.png) [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 3:48am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/59 "2021-04-20T03:48:59Z")
Would tend to agree c.captain, but topic opened doors to a lot more BULLSHIT. Not hard to believe 58 responses with about half non-maritime related. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027/60 "2021-04-22T16:54:22Z")
All kinds of specialized vessels are needed to develop a sustainable national Offshore Wind industry. The Dutch are able and willing to help develop Jones Act compliant vessels to develop the US Offshore wing industry: > **[Dutch unveil Jones Act offshore wind feeder vessel design - Splash247](https://splash247.com/dutch-unveil-us-offshore-wind-feeder-vessel-design/)** > > Dutch offshore access provider Ampelmann and ship design company C-Job Naval Architects have teamed up to develop an offshore wind feeder vessel concept with motion compensation technology, specifically suited for construction and logistics in the... Are there anybody able and willing to invest and build some of the vessels needed? [Previous page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/here-we-go-again-new-industry-same-old-bullshit/59027.md?page=4)