# Helge Ingstad - Why did it sink? **URL:** \ **Category:** Marine Incidents\ **Created:** [May 16, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/helge-ingstad-why-did-it-sink/51545 "2019-05-16T22:14:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Heiwa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/heiwa/32/1054_2.png) [@Heiwa](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Heiwa)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2019, 10:39am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/helge-ingstad-why-did-it-sink/51545/24 "2019-05-19T10:39:59Z")
It seems **kick-out** or **escape panels** in doors on ships is a **United Kingdom Marine and Coastguard Agency (MCA)** requirement, e.g.: **MCA Guidance** G1 **Escape panels in doors** G1.1 It is generally considered that **escape panels** in ‘B’ Class doors are _unnecessary_. However they may be fitted if an owner requires them. In such cases the panels should be constructed in accordance with any details shown on the approved drawings, provided they do not exceed 410mm x 410mm in size. A ventilation opening, when fitted, should be incorporated in the **escape panel.** Where no details of an **escape panel** are given the door manufacturer should be requested to submit details of the construction to MCA Headquarters for consideration before use. G1.2 **Escape panels** should only be capable of being operated from that side of the door from which a person needs to escape and should be of such a design as to preserve the integrity and insulation standard of the door and prevent any unlawful entry into a space. G1.3 **Escape panels** should be marked with the words **‘ESCAPE PANEL - KICK OUT’** in white letters on a green background; Etc. Only idiots like the Norwegian Royal Navy and similar fit one way escape panel – kick out at owner’s option in ships anyway. It is a pity that safety at sea – my business – is in the hands of incompetent landlubbers. I describe another example at [http://heiwaco.com/news811.htm](http://heiwaco.com/news811.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Tupsis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9a140/32.png) [@Tupsis](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tupsis)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/helge-ingstad-why-did-it-sink/51545/25 "2019-05-19T22:08:02Z")
Turns out it wasn’t the Russian national rules that I first suspected to require kick-out panels, but the RMRS class rules: _Doors of accommodation spaces … shall have in their lower portions detachable panels 0.4 x 0.5 m in size, the panels of the passenger cabin doors shall be provided with the following inscription: “Means of escape - knock out in case of emergency”._ ---
**Author:** ![Kraken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Kraken](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kraken)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/helge-ingstad-why-did-it-sink/51545/26 "2019-05-20T01:32:05Z")
> [@Heiwa](#): > > Blue watertight door with kick out panel! Yes, it is Norwegian standard. It’s not a watertight door. The room is clearly a hospital or triage room. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/2X/b/b9760c5472e0cf9822548dd93a0c18784ba150f3.jpeg) This is a watertight door onboard. > **[Hvilke luker sto åpne?](https://www.forsvaretsforum.no/hvilke-luker-sto-apne/102743)** > > Hvilke luker som ble stående åpne under evakueringen av KNM Helge Ingstad er en viktig del av det havarikommisjonen skal finne ut. Fridtjof Nansen class was built in Spain based on the Álvaro de Bazán class just as the Hobart class. So I would not be surprised if the Hobart class has the same internal doors. ---
**Author:** ![Kennebec\_Captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kennebec_captain/32/13_2.png) [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 11:23am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/helge-ingstad-why-did-it-sink/51545/27 "2019-09-16T11:23:47Z")
2 posts were split to a new topic: [Update on the Ingstad frigate accident (Short Video)](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/update-on-the-ingstad-frigate-accident-short-video/52727) ---
**Author:** ![Kennebec\_Captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kennebec_captain/32/13_2.png) [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/helge-ingstad-why-did-it-sink/51545/28 "2019-09-16T12:13:41Z")
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