# Haze gray - stay away **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [December 1, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740 "2022-12-01T16:42:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![seasmaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seasmaster/32/3160_2.png) [@seasmaster](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/seasmaster)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/1 "2022-12-01T16:42:59Z")
Example of why I ALWAYS gave the gray-hulls a wide berth. They don’t know WITF they are doing. > **[2 Navy ships nearly collide while moving through San Diego Bay](https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2022-11-30/navy-ships-collision-investigation-8253105.html)** > > The vessels were able to maneuver past each other safely and neither ship was damaged, a Navy spokesperson said. No related injuries were reported. ---
**Author:** ![seasmaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seasmaster/32/3160_2.png) [@seasmaster](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/seasmaster)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/3 "2022-12-01T17:28:16Z")
LOL. The “gator” was almost on the “red” side of the channel. You can see the green buoy off the bow of the DDG. . . Just navy idiots driving their ships like, well, idiots. . . ---
**Author:** ![ocnslr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/54ee81/32.png) [@ocnslr](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ocnslr)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/4 "2022-12-01T18:29:29Z")
I watched that video and while I have never been in that harbor it’s clear the LSD was really cutting the inside of that turn in the channel. They didn’t give the DDG any option for a proper meeting. Part of the problem is that the DDG CO is junior to the LSD CO and was too reluctant to simply tell the LSD to get over where he belonged. Problem unique to haze gray hulls. Note: Retired SWO ship-driver here. But it was a lot different (better) in the 70s and 80s when I was at sea. ---
**Author:** ![Lee\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Lee\_Shore](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Lee_Shore)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/5 "2022-12-01T19:27:45Z")
“Don’t worry. They’ll get out of the way . I learned that driving the Saratoga” ---
**Author:** ![Hogsnort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@Hogsnort](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hogsnort)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/6 "2022-12-01T19:49:39Z")
I didn’t understand the reference to an alligator but that is some of the most idiotic seamanship I have ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![dbeierl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dbeierl/32/11833_2.png) [@dbeierl](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/dbeierl)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/7 "2022-12-01T20:13:27Z")
> [@Hogsnort](#): > > reference to an alligator “Gator Navy” is a nickname for the amphibious fleet. ---
**Author:** ![seasmaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seasmaster/32/3160_2.png) [@seasmaster](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/seasmaster)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/8 "2022-12-01T21:39:16Z")
Was on FRAMS in 70-72. Agree that it was better - The stuff we did without tugs. PFM!! ---
**Author:** ![seasmaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seasmaster/32/3160_2.png) [@seasmaster](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/seasmaster)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/9 "2022-12-01T21:40:53Z")
Yeah, except when they turned towards the bird-farm instead of away. [F.E. Evans vs Melbourne] ---
**Author:** ![Ctony](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ctony/32/189_2.png) [@Ctony](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Ctony)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 9:59pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/10 "2022-12-01T21:59:21Z")
Were there pilots onboard both these ships? I used to run out of San Diego a lot, and always assumed pilots were on board while transiting the bay. this footage looks like it was somewhere north of Coronado maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Lee\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Lee\_Shore](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Lee_Shore)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/11 "2022-12-01T23:18:36Z")
My guess too. The LSD hanging a left cutting the corner on his way out to sea with no inbound civilian traffic. Shelter island in the background? ![19600576_LRG.24052019103207](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/9/c/9cf03c0bd1204ad8dbd56f6252b22f8e0e1b84ab.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Urs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/958977/32.png) [@Urs](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Urs)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 11:52pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/12 "2022-12-01T23:52:07Z")
This long video shows what happened before the video in the OP started. At first, it shows the ‘USS Tripoli LHA-7’ coming into the port and crossing there the ‘LSD Harper Ferry’. At about 17:30 minutes, the DDG Momsen comes into view. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3ttxrzu\_3U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3ttxrzu_3U) ---
**Author:** ![NWWaterman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ea924/32.png) [@NWWaterman](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/NWWaterman)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 2:30am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/13 "2022-12-02T02:30:15Z")
Another post I saw on Twitter said that, in SD, pilots typically don’t board until at the Coronado Bridge. They essentially serve as docking pilots with the actual harbor transit mostly done solely by the ship’s crew. ---
**Author:** ![Ctony](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ctony/32/189_2.png) [@Ctony](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Ctony)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 2:33am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/14 "2022-12-02T02:33:43Z")
I was actually thinking about that…memory is a bit fuzzy, been a long time since I was runnin’ around down there. ---
**Author:** ![Ausmariner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Ausmariner](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Ausmariner)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 2:50am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/15 "2022-12-02T02:50:40Z")
It seems to go with the colour grey. The HMAS Melbourne collided with and cut in half the HMAS Voyager in 1964 and in 1969 collided with and cut in half the USS Frank E. Evans. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/7/0/7029c5ff019190d385d233de2458373d2e6c628e.jpeg "HMAS Voyager/Melbourne Collision") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CnTM_YqqUs) ---
**Author:** ![BeerCaptain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@BeerCaptain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/BeerCaptain)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 4:58am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/16 "2022-12-02T04:58:47Z")
That’s not accurate ---
**Author:** ![Slick\_cam1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/slick_cam1/32/817_2.png) [@Slick\_cam1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Slick_cam1)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 5:07am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/17 "2022-12-02T05:07:11Z")
The state pilots for SD definitely board ships offshore. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 5:28am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/18 "2022-12-02T05:28:03Z")
I have always stayed clear of US warships as we all know they dont know… ---
**Author:** ![NWWaterman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ea924/32.png) [@NWWaterman](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/NWWaterman)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 6:30am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/19 "2022-12-02T06:30:03Z")
My post was worded poorly, but I was talking about the Navy pilots. The San Diego Pilot Association handles commercial traffic in San Diego and yes, does board/disembark from vessels offshore. SD pilots are not state pilots though (neither are LA and LB/Jacobsen). The only state pilots in CA are the SF pilots. ---
**Author:** ![BeerCaptain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@BeerCaptain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/BeerCaptain)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 1:01pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/20 "2022-12-02T13:01:35Z")
It’s still not accurate ---
**Author:** ![seasmaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/seasmaster/32/3160_2.png) [@seasmaster](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/seasmaster)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 1:48pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740/21 "2022-12-02T13:48:07Z")
Twice now, you’ve said to NWWaterman, “it’s not accurate”. Perhaps, you could enlighten the other uninformed readers here as to what is inaccurate. . [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/haze-gray-stay-away/64740.md?page=2)