# Future marine fuels **URL:** \ **Category:** Marine Engineering\ **Created:** [March 7, 2019, 11:51am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834 "2019-03-07T11:51:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 11:51am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/1 "2019-03-07T11:51:54Z")
The subject of which fuel will be used by the worldwide marine industry in the future has been discussed in different threads before. Time to get it under one umbrella. Here is first instalment; Hydrogen or Methanol: > **[Methanol backer takes swipe at proponents of hydrogen -](https://splash247.com/methanol-backer-takes-swipe-at-proponents-of-hydrogen/)** > > The backers of hydrogen as an alternative fuel for shipping to meeting its 2050 decarbonisation pledge have come in for criticism from trade association, the Methanol Institute. An ongoing survey carried by sister title Maritime CEO has... ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/2 "2019-08-26T11:54:57Z")
Hydrogen produced by renewable energy may be the marine fuel of the future: [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-21/cost-of-hydrogen-from-renewables-to-plummet-next-decade-bnef](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-21/cost-of-hydrogen-from-renewables-to-plummet-next-decade-bnef) Hydrogen production from renewable and fuel cells on ships are already being tested in large scale, but it may be a few years before Very Large Container Vessel (VLCV) can be powered by hydrogen and fuel cells. ---
**Author:** ![DamnYankee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/damnyankee/32/514_2.png) [@DamnYankee](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/DamnYankee)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 12:09pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/3 "2019-08-26T12:09:13Z")
[https://www.maritime-executive.com/features/norwegian-team-discovers-cheaper-way-to-make-hydrogen-fuel](https://www.maritime-executive.com/features/norwegian-team-discovers-cheaper-way-to-make-hydrogen-fuel) I would have thought you’d be all over this story ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 12:12pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/4 "2019-08-26T12:12:16Z")
I missed that one. Thanks for posting it. ---
**Author:** ![DamnYankee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/damnyankee/32/514_2.png) [@DamnYankee](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/DamnYankee)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:33pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/5 "2019-08-26T21:33:27Z")
No problem. It’s some pretty impressive stuff ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 10:51am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/6 "2019-09-12T10:51:53Z")
DNV-GL has been looking at present and future marine fuels: > **[Batteries now in use across almost every shipping segment -](https://splash247.com/batteries-now-in-use-across-almost-every-shipping-segment/)** > > An updated maritime forecast through to 2050 from class society DNV GL published yesterday predicts that LNG will be the world’s top marine fuel by the middle of the decade, with the use of ammonia climbing the ranks fast too. DNV GL has long... ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 11:36am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/7 "2019-09-18T11:36:18Z")
IMO requested to set up an alternative fuel research body: > **[Liner lobbying group urges IMO to create alternative fuel research body -](https://splash247.com/liner-lobbying-group-urges-imo-to-create-alternative-fuel-research-body/)** > > The World Shipping Council (WSC), the Washington-based liner shipping lobbying group, will pitch the creation of an International Maritime Research Board (IMRB) at a November meeting at the London headquarters of the International Maritime... ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 10:22am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/8 "2019-09-24T10:22:10Z")
DNV-GL see plenty of uncertainty and safety problems with future marine fuels: [https://safetyatsea.net/news/2019/uncertainty-and-safety-concerns-abound-for-future-fuels-says-dnv-gl/?utm\_campaign=CL\_SAS\_Newswire1\_20190924\_SAS\_e-production\_E-45048\_GT\_0924\_0400&utm\_medium=email&utm\_source=Eloqua](https://safetyatsea.net/news/2019/uncertainty-and-safety-concerns-abound-for-future-fuels-says-dnv-gl/?utm_campaign=CL_SAS_Newswire1_20190924_SAS_e-production_E-45048_GT_0924_0400&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 9:31am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/9 "2019-09-29T09:31:46Z")
Fuel cells for propulsion does not need to be hydrogen powered: [https://worldmaritimenews.com/archives/283855/samsung-heavy-bloom-energy-to-develop-fuel-cell-powered-ships/](https://worldmaritimenews.com/archives/283855/samsung-heavy-bloom-energy-to-develop-fuel-cell-powered-ships/) But does that mean that greenhouse gas emission is fully eliminated, or just reduced?? No it does not, but it reduces emission by 45% and virtually eliminate particle and SOX, NOX emission. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/10 "2019-11-04T16:20:16Z")
Havila has taken steps to sign contract for hydrogen propulsion system to be used on larger ships than projected so far: > **[(+) Havila med hydrogen-kontrakt](https://www.smp.no/nyheter/i/361jRL/havila-med-hydrogen-kontrakt)** > > Havila har signert avtale med leverandørar av hydrogentank og brenselceller til Kystruten. It appears that hydrogen is the flavour of the month in Norwegian shipping: > [@](#): > > ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/2X/2/26b808e0c0f6ea83ed12da64f99d3d88d35f3e5b.jpeg) > Illustration: Salt Ship Design > > # Focuses on offshore wind with hydrogen-ready boats. > > Østensjø Rederi has ordered four vessels to support the development of offshore wind. The vessels are ready to run on hydrogen from 2025, if the clients and authorities are playing. > Østensjø Rederi recently ordered four new vessels to support the development of offshore wind power. > The company more than doubles the fleet, which will serve renewable energy at sea, and will have seven vessels under the renewable tab. In comparison, the company has eight vessels in offshore oil and gas. > However, tugs remain the largest part of the company’s fleet, with 20 larger and smaller vessels. > > ## Hydrogen possible from 2025 > > The ships will be delivered from early 2022. Initially, the vessels will run on diesel in combination with battery, which together with new technical solutions contribute to lower fuel consumption and at least 30 per cent lower emissions compared to similar vessels. > At the same time, the vessels are also preparing to be able to move on hydrogen. This will make the ships emission-free. CEO Kenneth Walland says the ships should be ready to go on hydrogen after 2025, if both authorities and clients contribute the necessary drag assistance. > > ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/2X/7/791833886a003ada5f49955134b06297c5e40389.jpeg) > Kenneth Walland Photo: Østensjø Rederi > > - We have a very forward-looking project department, which over a good period has worked with other parties to adapt the vessels to hydrogen operations, says Walland. > He says the company has got a good picture of how they can solve hydrogen operations. > - This requires that charterers see the need, because it will have a price tag. In addition, we must have access to hydrogen. It is a challenge today, he says. > He says there are some potential clients who find this exciting and want to get it in place. > - We are not there today, but as we read it is highly relevant to have this in place in the future. We think it is possible to deliver this in 2025 if we receive the necessary assistance, and then we will see if anyone pushes the button, he says. > In addition, support from the authorities, through Enova and the like, will be a condition for the additional cost to be acceptable. > > The supply market for offshore wind is divided into two. One type of vessel is used for installation, so-called commisioning, and another is used for maintenance of installations in operation. Where the latter is often built on the basis of long contracts, the installation vessels are often built without a contract. > Ørsted is already an established player in offshore wind. Last year, the company delivered two new vessels, which are now on maintenance contracts for the Danish wind company Ørsted. The latest acquisition is installation vessels. > Walland describes the market for supply vessels for offshore wind as “very expansive”, and says a great deal of tonnage will be needed in the future. > > - In the short term, the major expansion is taking place in Europe. The UK, Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark are the countries most in need today, he says. > > **Østensjø has also established itself in the US through a partnership with Foss Maritime.** The companies are focusing on the maintenance market, as they are expanding more and more along the east coast. > In order to serve wind development in the United States, ships must be used that are both built and operated in the United States. Walland thus does not rule out that there may be reports of several newbuildings coming in the future. Google translated from Sysla Newsletter today: > **[E24](https://e24.no/?utm_source=sysla)** > > E24 er Norges største og viktigste avis for nyheter om økonomi og næringsliv. E24 er første ute med de viktigste nyhetene, gir deg kommentarer og analyse og setter dagsorden med sakene norsk næringsliv snakker om. And here is how the hydrogen to power the ships will be produced: > **[Offshore platform would convert wind energy to hydrogen](https://www.rivieramm.com/news-content-hub/news-content-hub/offshore-platform-would-convert-offshore-wind-to-hydrogen-56371)** > > Engie group companies have designed a platform that could produce green hydrogen using electricity from offshore wind turbines ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 3:00am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/11 "2020-02-22T03:00:17Z")
Norway going for Ammonia and Hydrogen as future clean fuel for shipping and other users of fossil fuel: > **[Letter på sløret om regjeringens hydrogenstrategi](https://e24.no/norsk-oekonomi/i/4qJx5g/letter-paa-sloeret-om-regjeringens-hydrogenstrategi)** > > Olje- og energiminister Tina Bru (H) lover at ammoniakk vil bli omtalt i regjeringens hydrogenstrategi, som er ventet i løpet av kort tid. But they are not alone. Both EU and Britain are looking at the same as the solution for a low emission society before 2050. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 11:40am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/12 "2020-04-17T11:40:20Z")
Hydrogen fuel cells for large Container ships is under development: > **[ABB plans "megawatt-scale" hydrogen powertrains for container ships](https://newatlas.com/marine/hydrogen-ships-fuel-cell-marine-abb/)** > > Swiss/Swedish manufacturing and automation behemoth ABB is teaming up with Hydrogène de France (HDF) with the intention of developing large-scale hydrogen fuel cell systems capable of powering zero-emissions electric container ships. It will still take a while before the first mega ship powered only by hydrogen will be crossing the wold’s ocean, but it is a step closer to that reality. ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 12:59pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/13 "2020-04-17T12:59:40Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > Norway going for Ammonia and Hydrogen as future clean fuel for shipping It’s not exactly a magic bullet cure for NOx emissions. Hydrogen alone in a diesel does not appreciably lower NOx production, adding ammonia to the mix does but the level of complication becomes much greater. [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332175407\_NOx\_Reduction\_in\_Diesel-Hydrogen\_Engines\_Using\_Different\_Strategies\_of\_Ammonia\_Injection](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332175407_NOx_Reduction_in_Diesel-Hydrogen_Engines_Using_Different_Strategies_of_Ammonia_Injection) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/14 "2020-04-17T13:29:03Z")
No Hydrogen used as fuel in a diesel engine is not, even if the hydrogen is produced using renewable none-GHG energy source. But if the hydrogen is used to power fuel cells, it is a Zero pollution solution. PS\> Ammonia can be used in a diesel engine w/o too much complication. (I believe??) If the ammonia is produced by using renewable energy, or other none-GHG method, it is also a good none-polluting/GHG solution for large ships. PPS\> Lots of different ideas are offere, but nobody seriously believe that batteries are a solution by itself. (As buffer storage yes) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/15 "2020-08-25T14:28:47Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > nobody seriously believe that batteries are a solution by itself. Well that may change if we are talking about Nuclear Batteries: > **[The nuclear option - Splash247](https://splash247.com/the-nuclear-option/)** > > Mikal Bøe, CEO of CORE-POWER, argues atomic batteries make the most sense for shipping to slash its carbon footprint. Finding a ‘magic bullet’ that will provide shipping with dramatically reduced GHG and CO2 emissions, looks like a long and tortuous... PS\> Of course small Coastal/Short Sea Ship can, and/or will be powered by conventional batteries in many parts of the world: > **[e5 Lab launches Roboship zero-emission electric vessel project - Splash247](https://splash247.com/e5-lab-launches-zero-emission-electric-vessel-project/)** > > e5 Lab, a joint venture set up by Asahi Tanker with Exeno Yamamizu, MOL and Mitsubishi, has launched a project for the development of Roboship, an electrically powered vessels to realise zero emissions featuring an integrated system called the... ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 2:52pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/16 "2020-08-25T14:52:47Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > If the ammonia is produced by using renewable energy, or other none-GHG method, it is also a good none-polluting/GHG solution for large ships. And where does ammonia come from? > **[Industrial ammonia production emits more CO2 than any other chemical-making...](https://cen.acs.org/environment/green-chemistry/Industrial-ammonia-production-emits-CO2/97/i24)** > > Scientists around the world are working to reduce how much greenhouse gas the ammonia-making process emits ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/17 "2020-08-25T15:22:22Z")
Ammonia and hydrogen is also made using renewable energy, but you conveniently forgot to notice that part of my post: > [@ombugge](#): > > If the ammonia is produced by using renewable energy, or other none-GHG method, BTW; Nitrogen, Ammonia and Hydrogen has been produced using hydro electric power since the Birkeland-Eyde Process was invented in 1905, so this is nothing new: [Norsk Hydro Rjukan - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsk_Hydro_Rjukan#:~:text=Norsk%20Hydro%20Rjukan%20is%20an,%2C%20hydrogen%2C%20and%20heavy%20water). PS\> The factory in Rjukan, Norway also produced Heavy Water as a by-product, which became very important during WWII. The action to sabotage the production facility and sink the ferry that carried the stored Heavy Water bound for Germany was maybe the most decisive single operations during WWII: > **[1943: The Heroes of Telemark](https://www.hydro.com/en/about-hydro/company-history/1929---1945/1943-the-heroes-of-telemark/)** > > The Allied forces high command in London determined that the Germans must be stopped from developing an atomic reactor and nuclear bomb at any cost. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 3:55pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/18 "2020-08-25T15:55:04Z")
Today Ammonia and Hydrogen is also made using Solar and Wind power: [https://www.cleantech.com/green-ammonia-potential-as-an-energy-carrier-and-beyond/](https://www.cleantech.com/green-ammonia-potential-as-an-energy-carrier-and-beyond/) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2020, 12:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/19 "2020-08-29T12:30:31Z")
Hydrogen produced by wind power being tested: > **[Wind Turbine Behemoth Plans for Hydrogen Future](https://gcaptain.com/wind-turbine-behemoth-plans-for-hydrogen-future/)** > > By William Mathis and Laura Millan Lombrana (Bloomberg) — Siemens Gamesa Renewable Energy SA has one eye on the future where its wind turbines could play a key role in creating hydrogen. The … ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 12:35pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834/20 "2020-09-24T12:35:30Z")
The discussion on “Marine fuel of the future” appears to crystallize around Methanol and Ammonia, while my favourit, Hydrogen is loosing the race. > **[DNV GL: Ammonia and Methanol are the Likeliest Future Fuels](https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/dnv-gl-ammonia-and-methanol-are-the-likeliest-future-fuels)** > > In a new study, class society DNV GL has examined the future fuels landscape to look at the likelies... Ammonia fueled Aframax design AIP by Lloyds: > **[Ammonia-fuelled aframax project passes key milestone - Splash247](https://splash247.com/ammonia-fuelled-aframax-project-passes-key-milestone/)** > > A keenly watched ammonia-fuelled aframax project in South Korea has passed another hurdle today with the possibility that this new calibre of ecoship could hit the water within the next four years. British class society Lloyd’s Register (LR) has... In the EU the discussion continue: > **[ESPO calls for an FuelEU Maritime Initiative that combines clear goals with...](https://www.espo.be/news/espo-calls-for-an-fueleu-maritime-initiative-that-)** [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/future-marine-fuels/50834.md?page=2)