# Fuel Leaks on deck **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [September 13, 2024, 3:10pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659 "2024-09-13T15:10:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Darkpuss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@Darkpuss](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Darkpuss)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2024, 3:10pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/1 "2024-09-13T15:10:04Z")
I work on a tanker that moves primarily ULSD/Jet. We’ve developed a 1” hole in our stripping line on deck. It’s 1” from the deck on a vertical pipe. The determination by shoreside is to put a ‘collar’ on it and kick the can down the road. Any insight as to regulations on this ? Consensus onboard is this not the solution. ---
**Author:** ![tengineer1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@tengineer1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tengineer1)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/2 "2024-09-13T17:32:53Z")
If the leak is stopped as a temporary measure, no problem. But permanent repairs need to be made ASAP. Why cannot onboard engineers cannot make a proper repair.? ---
**Author:** ![New3M](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/new3m/32/394_2.png) [@New3M](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/New3M)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/3 "2024-09-13T18:16:35Z")
Have the engineers make a new pipe. ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2024, 7:20pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/4 "2024-09-13T19:20:00Z")
> [@Darkpuss](#): > > We’ve developed a 1” hole Do you mean the pipe finally rusted through after a couple of years of neglect and a chipping hammer assist? ---
**Author:** ![Hornblower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecccb3/32.png) [@Hornblower](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hornblower)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/5 "2024-09-13T22:07:13Z")
You are leaking liquids. Where are they ending up? It sounds like the company is breaching IOPP regs big style. Leave, immediately. ---
**Author:** ![shipengr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/shipengr/32/485_2.png) [@shipengr](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/shipengr)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/6 "2024-09-13T23:35:20Z")
> [@Darkpuss](#): > > It’s 1” from the deck on a vertical pipe. That makes it sound like it’s just above a deck penetration? So not an easily removable (read:gas-freed) pipe segment? What does Class allow? Generally temporary/emergency repairs are permissible at sea, but the expectation is usually that it’s properly repaired to the applicable standard as soon as you hit port. ---
**Author:** ![Sand\_Pebble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Sand\_Pebble](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Sand_Pebble)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2024, 2:03am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/7 "2024-09-14T02:03:30Z")
> [@Darkpuss](#): > > We’ve developed a 1” hole in our stripping line on deck. It’s 1” from the deck on a vertical pipe. I’ve never seen good metal develope a hole that big. You might end up changing the whole line. > [@tengineer1](#): > > Why cannot onboard engineers make a proper repair.? Welding on red flag barges can be a major operation that involves taking the barge out of service, cleaning degassing pairs of tanks or the whole barge itself. The owners of the product or clients might not allow welding anywhere on deck. I would assume it could be similar on tankers. I’ve worked for a tug/ATB company that didn’t even allow welding machines on board their tugs & barges. ---
**Author:** ![Darkpuss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@Darkpuss](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Darkpuss)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2024, 2:13am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/8 "2024-09-14T02:13:46Z")
Exactly right. Just above deck penetration . There is a temporary patch (gasket w/clamps). I’m a bit unsure regarding ABS requirements but I believe anything 4” or less from deck is required to be replaced with new pipe section, Scuttlebutt is that a temp collar til next shipyard ……just trying to figure out exactly what applicable standard is. ---
**Author:** ![New3M](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/new3m/32/394_2.png) [@New3M](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/New3M)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2024, 2:29am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/9 "2024-09-14T02:29:30Z")
Gas free the tank and the line and weld a patch over it. Have to get the office involved, but that’s the fix until the shipyard. ---
**Author:** ![jimrr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jimrr/32/38358_2.png) [@jimrr](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jimrr)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/10 "2024-09-14T15:45:32Z")
gas freeing that probably not happening at sea. they’re probably doing the best possible, just quit stripping the last of that tank till yard inport ---
**Author:** ![shipengr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/shipengr/32/485_2.png) [@shipengr](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/shipengr)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/11 "2024-09-14T18:01:12Z")
> [@Darkpuss](#): > > I’m a bit unsure regarding ABS requirements Can’t say for certain without knowing which class rules you fall under, but you should find out if cargo stripping piping and/or weather deck penetrations (if it is a weather deck) might fall under “_hull, machinery, or equipment which affect or may affect classification_”. If so, you’d be wise to consider the following ABS survey [rule](https://ww2.eagle.org/content/dam/eagle/rules-and-guides/current/generic/generics-2024/00-part-7-jul24.pdf): > 7.3 Suspension of Classification > Failure to submit a damage, failure, deterioration or repair governed by 7-1-1/7.1.1 to a Surveyor for examination at first opportunity, **or failure to notify ABS in advance of the repairs contemplated by 7-1-1/7.1.2, may result in suspension of the vessel’s classification from the date of arrival at the first port of call after the initial damage** , failure, deterioration or repair until such time as the damage, failure or deterioration is repaired to the Surveyor’s satisfaction, or the repair is redone or evidence submitted to satisfy the Surveyor that the repair was properly carried out. This is something the Chief Engineer should know/be handling. Regardless, I can’t see a scenario where a hose clamp on a hydrocarbon line is going to meet any reasonable requirement. ---
**Author:** ![MAK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@MAK](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/MAK)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2024, 6:32pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/12 "2024-09-14T18:32:30Z")
There are multiple repair options that meet requirements that do not involve the considerable expense and downtime involved with gas freeing and making hot work repairs. Ensure the temporary collar repair is the correct one for the application and that all application instructions are followed. The devil is in the details. Torque, surface prep, work time if using a Belzona product, etc. If the office is refusing to purchase proper temporary repair materials that’s the time to make a stink, but there’s a big difference between a leaky hose clamp with rubber and a proper temporary repair. ---
**Author:** ![New3M](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/new3m/32/394_2.png) [@New3M](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/New3M)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/13 "2024-09-14T20:30:01Z")
> [@jimrr](#): > > gas freeing that probably not happening at sea. Why not? It’s Jet and ULSD. Wash, purge, gas free. It’s not the end of the world. ---
**Author:** ![jimrr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jimrr/32/38358_2.png) [@jimrr](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jimrr)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 4:00pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/14 "2024-09-15T16:00:03Z")
tengineer1 probably has the best answer on my ships gas freeing a space or two as big as a school bus or bigger just isn’t happening but I see your discharge line is ONE INCH … so maybe your tanks are not so big but I’d still put a bandaid on it, avoid using the stripper pump/lines and ride it till it goes to dry dock. ---
**Author:** ![New3M](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/new3m/32/394_2.png) [@New3M](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/New3M)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 5:02pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/15 "2024-09-15T17:02:54Z")
So your solution is to just not strip that tank until the next shipyard?? The charterer will love that. You’re supposed to wash going from ULSD to Jet anyway. This isn’t adding much more to the operation. ---
**Author:** ![Urs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/958977/32.png) [@Urs](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Urs)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/16 "2024-09-15T20:25:30Z")
> [@jimrr](#): > > …but I see your discharge line is ONE INCH … so maybe your tanks are not so big… ‘Darkpuss’ did not mention the diameter of the stripping line, only that the hole in this line was ‘one inch’… ---
**Author:** ![Shipncs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Shipncs](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Shipncs)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 6:11am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/17 "2024-09-16T06:11:07Z")
ABS approved straub coupling ABS approved fiberglass and epoxy patch with a metal plate and metal bandit strong back. These are generally acceptable till the next shipyard, with ABS notification and approval. ---
**Author:** ![Louisd75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f04885/32.png) [@Louisd75](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Louisd75)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/18 "2024-09-16T15:51:02Z")
> [@shipengr](#): > > This is something the Chief Engineer should know/be handling. Regardless, I can’t see a scenario where a hose clamp on a hydrocarbon line is going to meet any reasonable requirement. With all of the companies that I’ve worked for the CE doesn’t directly liaise with class, that will all go through the port engineer. The only times I’ve worked with directly with class as CE is when they’re on board. ---
**Author:** ![shipengr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/shipengr/32/485_2.png) [@shipengr](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/shipengr)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 4:00pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/19 "2024-09-16T16:00:38Z")
By “know/be handling” I meant that the CE should know what is reportable and what the acceptable repair is, vs OP talking about “consensus onboard” and “scuttlebutt”. I agree that the communication to Class is usually the Captain or Port Engineer, but it’s not been my experience that either of those two always know the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Cheng](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/cheng/32/57534_2.png) [@Cheng](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Cheng)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659/20 "2024-10-06T14:41:13Z")
> [@Darkpuss](#): > > The determination by shoreside is to put a ‘collar’ on it and kick the can down the road. What is “a collar”? A DRESSER coupling is considered by the USCG a permanent repair in most applications. I’m not oblivious to the stupidity that comes from “Shoreside” but we are not always correct either. [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fuel-leaks-on-deck/70659.md?page=2)