# Fixing the Fitz **URL:** \ **Category:** Marine Incidents\ **Created:** [June 30, 2017, 2:00pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376 "2017-06-30T14:00:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 2:00pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/1 "2017-06-30T14:00:33Z")
This should be an interesting process to follow. > **[Navy struggles with approach to fix crippled destroyer Fitzgerald, as...](https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2017/06/30/navy-struggles-with-approach-to-fix-crippled-destroyer-fitzgerald-as-investigation-continues/)** > > The collision off Japan that claimed the lives of seven sailors on the destroyer Fitzgerald punched a hole large enough to drive a tractor trailer through, leaving the Navy with the considerable task of putting the crippled destroyer back together... ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/2 "2017-06-30T16:42:41Z")
Are the Navy’s own semi-submersible vessels capable of loading the Fitz, or do they have to go out in the civilian market to find a lift for her to the US?? There are several ships able to do this job, both the COSCO Heavylift and Dockwise have vessels with sufficient deck length to do so, but in today’s political climate the Navy may have a problem with using vessels crewed by Chinese or Russians? When the Blue Marlin loaded the USS Cole off Aden it apparently came as a surprise to the CIA contingent that was sent to protect the operation that this Norwegian ship (at that time) had an all Russian crew. (It shouldn’t have, since her last job was to carry USN Minesweepers from the US to Bahrain) ---
**Author:** ![Binbag\_the\_Saylore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Binbag\_the\_Saylore](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Binbag_the_Saylore)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/3 "2017-06-30T17:39:01Z")
HMS Nottingham - Australia to UK after grounding ![](https://cdck-file-uploads-us1.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/1X/bccbfef93f6a151b3eec91e8e60810db765d0375.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/4 "2017-06-30T18:13:25Z")
Seen loaded on deck of the Dockwise HLV “SWAN” (ex Dyvi Swan) for transport from Sydney NSW to Portsmouth in the UK on 28 October, 2002. > [@](#): > > Nottingham left Sydney harbour on board MV Swan for the journey back to the UK. By 9 December, she had arrived at Portsmouth Harbour for repairs at Fleet Support Limited. The USS Cole was loaded on the Blue Marlin in 2000: ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/1X/382dfcf49950bce5ab510ea8442e72132e6a2412.jpg) As can be seen the Blue Marlin deck is long enough to accommodate the USS Cole, but she is still loaded with the bow hanging over the sides. This was to protect the Asdic dome which is sticking down below baseline. The alternative would have been to build up cribbing to lift the vessel high enough above deck to clear, which would have been costly, time consuming and would have made the lifting of the cargo out of the water more difficult. PS\> Here is an article about the USS Cole operation from that time: [Norwegian ship to bring USS Cole home](http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20001028/NEWS/310289984) ---
**Author:** ![Binbag\_the\_Saylore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Binbag\_the\_Saylore](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Binbag_the_Saylore)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/5 "2017-06-30T18:22:10Z")
Asdic!? You can’t be that old! 😆 ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/6 "2017-06-30T18:24:55Z")
> [@Binbag\_the\_Saylore](#): > > Asdic!? You can’t be that old! > 😆 Believe me, I’m that old. You can call it Sonar as much as you want. ---
**Author:** ![kzoo\_pilot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kzoo_pilot/32/1600_2.png) [@kzoo\_pilot](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/kzoo_pilot)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/7 "2017-06-30T18:29:02Z")
Anti Submarine Detection (Investigation?) Committee…if my history is correct. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/8 "2017-06-30T18:37:16Z")
Here is the history: [http://uboat.net/allies/technical/asdic.htm](http://uboat.net/allies/technical/asdic.htm) SONAR is just an American acronym for the same, but it may have more than one meaning: [http://www.abbreviations.com/SONAR](http://www.abbreviations.com/SONAR) ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/9 "2017-06-30T19:10:23Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > When the Blue Marlin loaded the USS Cole off Aden it apparently came as a surprise to the CIA … Ironic, ain’t it? ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/11 "2017-06-30T22:13:44Z")
I would think so, although it is hard to find the deck length of this vessel: [http://www.msc.navy.mil/inventory/ships.asp?ship=229](http://www.msc.navy.mil/inventory/ships.asp?ship=229) Is she somewhere in the vicinity of Japan though? Do they have any experience in loading damaged vessels? Maybe the US Navy would be better off to leave this to somebody with experience in this kind of transports?? ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/13 "2017-06-30T22:30:45Z")
I like this attempt at going metric with the specs on the John Glenn: [quote]USNS John Glenn (T-ESD-2), is a United States Navy Expeditionary Transfer Dock ship named in honor of John Glenn, a Naval Aviator, retired United States Marine Corps colonel, veteran of World War II … Wikipedia Length: 233 m Construction started: April 17, 2012 Launched: September 15, 2013 Displacement: 34.5 million kg Range: 16.668 million m Builder: National Steel and Shipbuilding Company[/quote] ---
**Author:** ![27182](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/27182/32/21380_2.png) [@27182](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/27182)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/14 "2017-06-30T23:43:09Z")
[quote=“ombugge, post:11, topic:45376”] I would think so, although it is hard to find the deck length of this vessel: [/quote] It sure is. My first guess it ~530ft (167m). > Is she somewhere in the vicinity of Japan though? No, San Diego. [Marinetraffic link](https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:456043/tracktype:7/lpt:1498608300) > Do they have any experience in loading damaged vessels? Heh. Not touching that one. [That’s bait.](http://i.imgur.com/FOwZ77O.mp4) ---
**Author:** ![cali\_deckie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/cali_deckie/32/73837_2.png) [@cali\_deckie](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/cali_deckie)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/15 "2017-07-01T00:27:45Z")
The AKEs and JHSVs are the same way. I know NASSCO has a partnership with Daweoo or one of the other south korean firms which may have something to do with it. Austal is an australian company and the JHSVs were atleast somewhat based on a commerical vessel. Those ships also spend the majority of their service life overseas in metric ports and is one other way to confuse pilots less. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/1X/871242faa019ef2be3405675fc8425d61c536316.jpg) You can see the obstructions on the deck. I do not believe it would be easy or cheap to remove those. ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2017, 10:49am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/16 "2017-07-01T10:49:19Z")
The Fitz may come back to the US according to this article which also has some good comments regarding the investigation. > **[USS Fitzgerald Will Return to U.S. for Repairs](https://maritime-executive.com/article/uss-fitzgerald-will-return-to-us-for-repairs)** > > The U.S. Navy is making preparations to drydock the damaged destroyer USS Fitzgerald at Fleet Activities Yokosuka, Japan, for evaluation and ---
**Author:** ![27182](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/27182/32/21380_2.png) [@27182](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/27182)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/17 "2017-07-01T12:48:45Z")
I don’t think the Glenn has those obstructions. [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/USNSJohnGlennNASSSCOFeb2014.JPG) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/USNSJohnGlennNASSSCOFeb2014.JPG) Another shot of the John Glenn. [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/USNS_John_Glenn_%28T-MLP-2%29_underway_in_January_2014.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/USNS_John_Glenn_%28T-MLP-2%29_underway_in_January_2014.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/18 "2017-07-01T17:31:26Z")
I would hope that the Pilot Card has measurements in the metric system as well as in US, or Imperial units. My point was about displacement in millions of kg and range in millions of m. FYI: Displacement would be given in m.t. (It is not a useful measure for a cargo ship anyway) Range would be given in n.miles, but has little interest for a Pilot. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/20 "2017-07-01T18:29:02Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > Displacement would be given in m.t. Why did they come up with metric tons when 1 MT is just 1 megagram (Mg)? Regardless, anyone who knows the metric system can quickly and easily convert millions of kg into metric tons, just move the decimal three places. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/21 "2017-07-01T18:31:06Z")
AH the beauty of the Metric System. Isn’t it GREAT!!! ---
**Author:** ![AHTS\_Master](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ahts_master/32/117_2.png) [@AHTS\_Master](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/AHTS_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2017, 4:43am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/22 "2017-07-02T04:43:05Z")
Scrap the Fitz, men died due to someones incompetence. ---
**Author:** ![CMAMET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c77e96/32.png) [@CMAMET](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/CMAMET)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:43am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376/23 "2017-07-03T03:43:30Z")
Both the John Glenn and the Montford Point have the LCAC/connection deck installed. At the time of delivery the deck is clear, but then they go from NASSCO to another yard to have it installed. It wouldn’t be easy or cheap to remove that mission deck [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/fixing-the-fitz/45376.md?page=2)