# Exam module differences pre vs post 2014 **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [February 16, 2016, 1:05pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/exam-module-differences-pre-vs-post-2014/15906 "2016-02-16T13:05:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![samat3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@samat3](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/samat3)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2016, 1:05pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/exam-module-differences-pre-vs-post-2014/15906/1 "2016-02-16T13:05:11Z")
I’m getting ready to submit my application for 2nd mate oceans. As I read all the CG information, since I took my 3rds exam before 2002, I will need to test for the 2/M. I have the option to test under the pre-2014 rules, or the post 2014 rules. However, I don’t seem to find just what the difference is in the modules, other than the name code. i.e. deck safety is either 143XX (pre-2014) or Q112 (post 2014). Does anyone have a clue what the differences are between the old set of modules and the new, and possible which set of rules I should request to test with? I know it’s a long time to wait, but I had a full career on limited tonnage vessels, and just recently went big ships. But that 25 years sea time as 1600 Master only counted for half what I needed for an 2/M unlimited upgrade. Full list of modules I expect to take per the respective exam gudes: Name - Pre 2014# - post 2014# ROR - Q100 - Q100 (the same) Deck general - 141XX - Q111 Deck safety - 143XX - Q112 Nav Gen ocean - 142XX - Q114 Nav prob chart 144XX - Q115 Navprob NC - 145XX - Q116 Nav prob ocean - 146XX - Q117 ---
**Author:** ![jdcavo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jdcavo/32/108_2.png) [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 5:45am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/exam-module-differences-pre-vs-post-2014/15906/2 "2016-02-17T05:45:58Z")
[QUOTE=samat3;179381]I’m getting ready to submit my application for 2nd mate oceans. As I read all the CG information, since I took my 3rds exam before 2002, I will need to test for the 2/M. I have the option to test under the pre-2014 rules, or the post 2014 rules. However, I don’t seem to find just what the difference is in the modules, other than the name code. i.e. deck safety is either 143XX (pre-2014) or Q112 (post 2014). Does anyone have a clue what the differences are between the old set of modules and the new, and possible which set of rules I should request to test with?[/QUOTE] The following subjects were added to the 3rd Mate/2nd Mate oceans exam by the 2014 rule change: Vessel Maneuvering and Handling: • Heavy Weather Operations Stability, Construction, and Damage Control: • Damage Control Vessel Power Plants: • Marine Engineering Terms Emergency Procedures: • Emergency Towing National Maritime Law: • Load Lines Shipboard Management and Training: • Vessel Alteration/Repair Hot Work Ship’s Business: • ISM and Safety Management Systems Search and Rescue: • Search and Rescue Procedures • Automated Mutual-Assistance Vessel Rescue System and IAMSAR Manual Communications: • GMDSS • IMO Standard Maritime Communication Phrases The following subjects were removed by the same rule change: Seamanship: • Small Boat Handling Under Oars and Sail Compass – Magnetic & Gyro: • Gyro Controlled Systems Vessel Maneuvering and Handling: • Determine Maneuvering Characteristics of Major Vessel Types Cargo Handling and Stowage: • Tank Vessel Safety • Cargo Piping and Pumping Systems • Cargo Oil Terms and Definitions • Ballasting, Tank Cleaning, & Gas Free Ops • Load on Top Procedures Medical Care: • First Aid Communications: • Radiotelegraphy Emergency Distress Signals • Flashing Light The above was done by comparing 46 CFR Table 11.910 under the [old](https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2013-title46-vol1/pdf/CFR-2013-title46-vol1-sec11-910.pdf) and [new](http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=ad210e44bfcc200ab1f3665494709b50&mc=true&node=se46.1.11_1910&rgn=div8) rules. Anyone can do the same for any endorsement by the same method. I am surprised that the various commercial prep vendors have not seen a need to provide this information. ---
**Author:** ![samat3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@samat3](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/samat3)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/exam-module-differences-pre-vs-post-2014/15906/3 "2016-02-17T13:17:07Z")
Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![fishyluke](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/fishyluke/32/2708_2.png) [@fishyluke](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/fishyluke)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/exam-module-differences-pre-vs-post-2014/15906/4 "2016-03-06T23:39:43Z")
So you may choose to test under the old rules if you have sea time from before March, 2014? Is that something you just request at the REC? ---
**Author:** ![jdcavo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jdcavo/32/108_2.png) [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/exam-module-differences-pre-vs-post-2014/15906/5 "2016-03-07T03:35:24Z")
[QUOTE=fishyluke;180545]So you may choose to test under the old rules if you have sea time from before March, 2014? Is that something you just request at the REC?[/QUOTE] You have to request it from NMC. ---
**Author:** ![TowNuffi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aca169/32.png) [@TowNuffi](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/TowNuffi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:54am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/exam-module-differences-pre-vs-post-2014/15906/6 "2016-03-10T06:54:46Z")
I don’t want to contradict Mr. Cavo on this, but when I told the REC Boston staff that I wanted to be evaluated under the 2014 regs, she asked me to write it in on my application form and then she highlighted something in my folder that said something about 2014. I guess that’s the same as requesting it from NMC, just using the REC to send the message?