# Does the Nautical Institute grandfather DP classes/time? **URL:** \ **Category:** Offshore\ **Created:** [April 2, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/does-the-nautical-institute-grandfather-dp-classes-time/7256 "2012-04-02T03:22:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bjkenned12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@bjkenned12](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/bjkenned12)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/does-the-nautical-institute-grandfather-dp-classes-time/7256/1 "2012-04-02T03:22:21Z")
I have around 4 months of DP time on a DP2 vessel from 2006. I left the industry without taking any courses. I have since taken the induction in March 2011 and have 115 days on a DP3 vessel and some 45 days on a DP1. This past March (2012) I took the advanced class and have some questions about my logbook: 1. Does the Nautical Institute grandfather mariners who took the induction pre-2012 in anyway? In other words do they not hold some mariners to the new standards because of past experience? 2. Will any time be accepted from my DP experience in 2006 3. Can I log my “familiarization” time in the watch keeping section? Thanks for the help! ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/does-the-nautical-institute-grandfather-dp-classes-time/7256/2 "2012-04-02T03:54:55Z")
Any application received on or after January 1st 2012 can only use 30 days of DP time from before the basic course. Why not log familiarizatiot in the familiarization section where it belongs? ---
**Author:** ![Firecreek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/50afbb/32.png) [@Firecreek](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Firecreek)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 8:01am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/does-the-nautical-institute-grandfather-dp-classes-time/7256/3 "2012-04-05T08:01:12Z")
1. The NI does not grandfather anything. The entire process must be completed in 5 calendar years or you have to start all over. 2. 2006 is outside of the 5 year window so ti is useless. 3. Familiarization can not be used as watchkeeping time. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 8:33am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/does-the-nautical-institute-grandfather-dp-classes-time/7256/4 "2012-04-05T08:33:36Z")
> [@"Firecreek"](#): > > 1. Familiarization can not be used as watchkeeping time. If by “familiarization” you mean dp time after the basic and before the advanced, yes, it can count. You need 180 days total with a minimum of 30 days after each class and a maximum of 30 days before the basic class. ---
**Author:** ![c.captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/c.captain/32/807_2.png) [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 11:48am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/does-the-nautical-institute-grandfather-dp-classes-time/7256/5 "2012-04-05T11:48:14Z")
The 5 year rule is not absolute and the Nautical Institute does make dispensations but I believe that the school you go to is an important part in getting the NI to relent. Much is up to their recommendation. When Angel Rodriguez was at Kongberg in Houston, he helped me to get an out of date induction course accepted but the NI tossed out all the previously DP time I had. ---
**Author:** ![Slowsailor45](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Slowsailor45](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Slowsailor45)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 6:54am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/does-the-nautical-institute-grandfather-dp-classes-time/7256/6 "2012-04-06T06:54:08Z")
Seriously? Who the hell died and made the NI God? I’m sure there must be some threads on it, but the whole self assigned monopoly of the NI just ticks me off. Mainly because I have run DP vessels on and off for 18 years but am starting from scratch as far as they are concerned, my own fault for being a cheapskate and/or working for cheapskates I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![c.captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/c.captain/32/807_2.png) [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 7:11am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/does-the-nautical-institute-grandfather-dp-classes-time/7256/7 "2012-04-06T07:11:51Z")
> Seriously? Who the hell died and made the NI God? I’m sure there must be some threads on it, but the whole self assigned monopoly of the NI just ticks me off. Mainly because I have run DP vessels on and off for 18 years but am starting from scratch as far as they are concerned, my own fault for being a cheapskate and/or working for cheapskates I suppose. Get real man…they’re Brits! The Norwegian Maritime Directorate used to issue DP certificates but I think they agreed with the NI to hand over than duty. You can always petition the Coast Guard to issue DP certificates to American mariners. I am sure they will strealine the process and make it really fair and consistent for everyone…and the toothfairy and Easter Bunny and the Great Pumpkin all exist too! ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 7:21am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/does-the-nautical-institute-grandfather-dp-classes-time/7256/8 "2012-04-06T07:21:49Z")
> [@"Slowsailor45"](#): > > Seriously? Who the hell died and made the NI God? I’m sure there must be some threads on it, but the whole self assigned monopoly of the NI just ticks me off. It is only because no one else issues them. We have to jump through their hoops because no other organization cares enough to decide a training scheme. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/does-the-nautical-institute-grandfather-dp-classes-time/7256/9 "2012-04-06T18:48:03Z")
dont forget the IMO our UN martime body invented STCW-95 who recognised the NI but saying that there is no IMO rule that says you need a DP ticket!!! PS You do know the there were/are 2 countries in the world that couldnt be full STCW-95 sigatories due to their deck ticketing systems… The USA and Australia as far as the IMO is concerned if you didnt go to college for 3 years you dont really have a ticket Now that the NI has said you need a STCW-95 deck or engine ticket ( or something else on a case by case basis) you see the problem with the USCG local trade tonnage tickets The issue is hotting up now…