# Decarbonizing shipping **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [September 22, 2021, 9:16am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720 "2021-09-22T09:16:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2025, 3:19pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/101 "2025-10-14T15:19:44Z")
I’m with America on this because the proposal is just stupidly driving costs up and not driving global temperatures down. Why do stupid stuff? ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 12:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/102 "2025-10-15T12:30:04Z")
More “fun and games”: > **[IMO’s green dream meets America’s red line - Splash247](https://splash247.com/imos-green-dream-meets-americas-red-line/)** > > While the majority of opening statements at yesterday’s opening of the latest Marine Environment Protection Committee (MEPC) were broadly in favour of the International Maritime Organization’s (IMO) Net-Zero Framework (NZF), the US delegation stood... > [@](#): > > For his part, Arsenio Dominguez, secretary-general of the IMO, conceded yesterday that the NZF may not be perfect, but it provides what he described in his opening remarks as a “balanced basis” for further work on a number of elements ahead of its entry into force in 2027. > > Initially approved in April, member states are set to vote on Friday on formally adopting the NZF. Pacific Island states, which abstained in the initial vote over concerns the proposal was not ambitious enough, are now expected to support it. Adoption will require a two-thirds majority. > > If approved, importantly the European Union has said it will review its own green shipping regulations. PS\> We’ll see on Friday who has the votes. Any bets? ---
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 1:21pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/103 "2025-10-15T13:21:24Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > We’ll see on Friday who has the votes. Any bets? Check the bank balances of those voting to see WHY they voted as they did. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 2:39pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/104 "2025-10-15T14:39:26Z")
There is an old saying that goes; **One judges others by oneself** BTW; How do you “Check the bank balances” of others? Even if you KNOW the identity of those you actually cast the vote on behalf of every IMO member country, that would be a monumental task. PS\> Maybe CIA could be told to do it, (If they haven’t all been fired, that is) ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 6:09am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/105 "2025-10-16T06:09:06Z")
Which fact: The climate is changing? Human can alter the climate? If its the co2 story the planet survived millions of years with all that co2 in the atmosphere. ---
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 6:15am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/106 "2025-10-16T06:15:32Z")
It’s always good to listen to both sides of an argument. > **[Taking Action to Defend America from the UN’s First Global Carbon Tax – the...](https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/10/15/taking-action-to-defend-america-from-the-uns-first-global-carbon-tax-the-international-maritime-organizations-imo-net-zero-framework-nzf/)** > > From the US Department of State Media Note Office of the Spokesperson October 10, 2025 Joint Statement by Secretary of State Rubio, Secretary of Energy Wright, and Secretary of Transportation Duffy… > The United States will be moving to levy these remedies against nations that sponsor this European-led neocolonial export of global climate regulations. We will fight hard to protect our economic interests by imposing costs on countries if they support the NZF. Our fellow IMO members should be on notice. Excellent news. FAFO. ---
**Author:** ![tengineer1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@tengineer1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tengineer1)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 7:06am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/107 "2025-10-16T07:06:31Z")
TACO 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 7:08am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/108 "2025-10-16T07:08:23Z")
So you reject Trump’s solid support for US commercial shipping? ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 8:56am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/109 "2025-10-16T08:56:47Z")
Trump knows and cares about shipping as much as he knows about science, history, government and governing. Zilch, zero, nada, ---
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 9:56am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/110 "2025-10-16T09:56:46Z")
You helped elect him. He’s just doing what he promised. Enjoy it. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 10:45am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/111 "2025-10-16T10:45:52Z")
Facts: - 68% of eligible voters actually cast a vote in Nov. 2024. - 50.8% of valid ballots were for Trump/Vance. ---
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 11:28am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/112 "2025-10-16T11:28:36Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > - 68% of eligible voters actually cast a vote in Nov. 2024. > - 50.8% of valid ballots were for Trump/Vance. Are you trying to prove me wrong? About what? Trump won and the entirety of the electorate participated (some by abstaining). So any US citizen must say they “helped elect him”. Here’s how to enhance the victory using your “facts”. 68% of eligible voters cast a vote. So 32% of eligible voters who didn’t vote can be assumed to be happy with whatever outcome happened. So they can be added to Trump’s tally. Remember, they are happy. 🙂 🙂 See the smiles. Let’s say for simplicity there were 100,000 eligible and so 68,000 voted. So 34,544 voted for Trump (50.8% of 68,000) to which we add 32,000 who couldn’t care less. That’s 64,544 (64.544%) Trump voters and uninterested (who did not bother to vote against Trump). Comfortable win. But we know voters don’t directly elect Presidents … and that the votes weren’t all, shall we say, kosher. ---
**Author:** ![Hogsnort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@Hogsnort](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hogsnort)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/113 "2025-10-16T17:46:09Z")
So the USA is using Tariffs (Taxing) other countries because they have voted to take action against US interests. Sort of reminds me of something. Perhaps another cup of tea will help me remember. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2025, 9:58am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/114 "2025-10-17T09:58:27Z")
It getting close to Armageddon: > **[Too close to call: IMO’s make-or-break vote to define shipping’s...](https://splash247.com/too-close-to-call-imos-make-or-break-vote-to-define-shippings-decarbonisation-path/)** > > The global shipping industry will find out today its green future with one of the most contentious Marine Environment Protection Committee (MEPC) meetings drawing to a close this evening at the London headquarters of the International Maritime... Soon we’ll know if; “It would be a pity if your nice NZF should be broken” will be enough to scare anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2025, 10:02am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/115 "2025-10-17T10:02:19Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > Armageddon End of the world stuff? I think not. Nothing destroys the world either way. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2025, 9:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/116 "2025-10-17T21:04:09Z")
Looks like “New York gangster methods” still works: > **[Landmark global shipping deal abandoned under US threats](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3vnl0yxg53o)** > > President Trump intervened in the talks calling the deal a "green scam". > [@](#): > > US Secretary of State Marco Rubio declared the outcome a “huge win” for Trump. > But reflecting the pressure countries faced, the Secretary General of the International Maritime Organisation Arsenio Dominguez issued a “plea” for this not to be repeated. > > In a dramatic conclusion on Friday, when countries should have been voting to approve the deal, Saudi Arabia tabled a motion to adjourn the talks for a year. > The chairman said this would mean that the agreement was not approved, as key timelines for the treaty would have to be revised. > > **The motion passed by just a handful of votes.** Looks like too many countries are susceptible to pressure from bullies. ---
**Author:** ![Gizmonte](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/gizmonte/32/62330_2.png) [@Gizmonte](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Gizmonte)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 12:58am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/117 "2025-10-18T00:58:41Z")
Or maybe Euros should stop sniffing their own farts thinking they can change everyones thinking. We wont listen to you anymore. You and the rest of the EU are insignificant to us. Keep building your wind farms and selling us your cheap oil. Theres a “No Kings” protest scheduled in New York tomorrow, will you be there? Oh, thats right…Norway has a King. New York would steamroll your country and you could do nothing about it. Norwegian girls are gorgeous, maybe we should invade. ---
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 1:34am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/118 "2025-10-18T01:34:18Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > Looks like “New York gangster methods” still works: Making offers that can’t be refused? That’s the art of the deal, not the art of the gangster. BTW Norway’s wealth was built on fossil fuels and you still pump it out regardless. > [@ombugge](#): > > Looks like too many countries are susceptible to pressure from bullies. Do you totally discount common sense? No need to bully anyone when they are faced with simple, easy choices that benefit themselves. Being forced (by bullies) into spending $gazillions to reduce CO2 emissions produces exactly zero climate benefit and a nett loss all round. I, for one, am happy. We’ve avoided another brick in the wall. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 11:30am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/119 "2025-10-18T11:30:35Z")
> [@Gizmonte](#): > > Or maybe Euros should stop sniffing their own farts What are you smoking? Euros doesn’t have an arse, nor a nose: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/0/4/04877a3609877e550af04886dc81ecd7348dd6c9.jpeg) > [@Gizmonte](#): > > You and the rest of the EU are insignificant to us. By “You” do you mean ME? I’m not from an EU Member State, nor hold an EU passport. FYI; Norway has twice voted “NO” to become an EU member. I don’t know how “insignificant” EU may be to you, or the US: > [@](#): > > U.S. goods and services trade with European Union totalled an estimated $1.5 trillion in 2024, up 5.7 percent ($80 billion) from 2023. Source: [European Union | United States Trade Representative](https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-union) > [@Gizmonte](#): > > Keep building your wind farms We will + keep on developing the technology, services and manufacturing base. When you are ready, we’ll be glad to help out develop yours. > [@Gizmonte](#): > > selling us your cheap oil. ?? I though it was the other way around. Isn’t US exporting it’s cheap WTI crude and LNG to Europe, while not buying much Brent Oil? PS\> Except for USNE Stats, since the freight costs makes it cheaper for them. > [@Gizmonte](#): > > Oh, thats right…Norway has a King. Yes, that’s right. 👏 The present King, his successor and the institution has a very high approval rating in Norway. Save us from electing a new Head of State every few years. (Better the old man you know than a new old man you don’t) > [@Gizmonte](#): > > New York would steamroll your country Would New York send their Home guard, or are they busy fighting the “enemy within” somewhere else in the US? > [@Gizmonte](#): > > Norwegian girls are gorgeous, maybe we should invade. Well, there you are right, but no need to “invade” to ogle our girls: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/d/7/d748ea1730578cf791948372fe8d38cee4a78d4b.jpeg) You are welcome, whether to visit as a tourist, or more longterm: [Greetings from Norway - #1100 by ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/greetings-from-norway/57677/1100) If you do visit. you will NOT be pestered by Immigration officials on arrival. PS\> Unless you put on the “Ugly American” attitude, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 3:33pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/decarbonizing-shipping/60720/120 "2025-10-18T15:33:53Z")
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