# DDE Upgrade **URL:** \ **Category:** Engineering\ **Created:** [September 24, 2023, 12:02am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190 "2023-09-24T00:02:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 12:02am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/1 "2023-09-24T00:02:21Z")
Had a question about how to get the chief osv endorsement i currently have my DDE 4000 ---
**Author:** ![Tugslasthitch](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/tugslasthitch/32/1129_2.png) [@Tugslasthitch](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tugslasthitch)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 1:01am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/2 "2023-09-24T01:01:43Z")
> **[mcp\_fm\_nmc5\_47\_web.pdf](https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/NMC/pdfs/checklists/mcp_fm_nmc5_47_web.pdf)** > > 136.28 KB ---
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 1:15am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/3 "2023-09-24T01:15:14Z")
I have the sea time do I need to take engine resource management and leader ship and skills and also electrical electronics and control engineering ---
**Author:** ![jdcavo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jdcavo/32/108_2.png) [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 3:01am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/4 "2023-09-24T03:01:38Z")
You don’t need those for the national endorsement (license). But for STCW, it’s going to take a lot more than that. You also have to meet all of the courses and assessments for officer in charge of an engineering watch if you don’t already hold that endorsement. For Chief Engineer, in addition to the courses you list there are assessments. ---
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 3:27am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/5 "2023-09-24T03:27:32Z")
Right now I’m the sole engineer on a 4,600hp 200 ton tug right now ---
**Author:** ![jimrr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jimrr/32/38358_2.png) [@jimrr](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jimrr)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 3:50pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/6 "2023-09-24T15:50:02Z")
years ago, ok, years and years ago I debated going the DDE route and was advised against it. as I recall sea time and how it is applied was the issue. I eventually ended up in blue water, chief oceans. I understand getting “the document” is complicated if you have DDE but i encourage you to slog away at it. ---
**Author:** ![Ctony](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ctony/32/189_2.png) [@Ctony](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Ctony)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 10:17pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/7 "2023-09-24T22:17:17Z")
> [@Dmurphy](#): > > Right now I’m the sole engineer on a 4,600hp > 200 ton tug right now Do you have OICEW? ---
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/8 "2023-09-24T23:09:40Z")
No I don’t have officer in charge of a engineering watch How do I go about getting that ---
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/9 "2023-09-24T23:10:47Z")
I plan on being in the harbor do to family don’t want to do long hitches right now I do 7on7off ---
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/10 "2023-09-24T23:12:00Z")
Also they run my seatime as the sole engineer of the vessel so that helps ---
**Author:** ![Ctony](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ctony/32/189_2.png) [@Ctony](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Ctony)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 11:28pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/11 "2023-09-24T23:28:29Z")
[mcp\_fm\_nmc5\_213\_web.pdf](https://forum.gcaptain.com/uploads/short-url/DpvovS6OZzAK6UeuTH6Xxkzzq4.pdf) (173.9 KB) If you wanna stay on harbor tugs, why get the chief osv? Even if you don’t upgrade your dde 4000, you are limiting yourself not having OICEW. If you ever want to venture past the boundary lines or work on boats over 199 grt, you need it. Some companies want you to have it no matter what. Just some food for thought. ---
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 11:43pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/12 "2023-09-24T23:43:09Z")
I’ve done trips trim Fort Lauderdale to Brownsville Texas I’ve done runs just like to max myself out here in the harbor then maybe when I’m older go do longer trips offshore when the kids are older ---
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 11:45pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/13 "2023-09-24T23:45:50Z")
Oicew if I wanted to get that can I do it now with what I have ---
**Author:** ![Ctony](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ctony/32/189_2.png) [@Ctony](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Ctony)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 11:50pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/14 "2023-09-24T23:50:11Z")
Click that link on my last post. Thats the checklist for it. ---
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 12:07am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/15 "2023-09-25T00:07:02Z")
There is a engineer here now can he sign off things for me ---
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 12:07am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/16 "2023-09-25T00:07:52Z")
Link won’t pull up can u send again ---
**Author:** ![Ctony](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ctony/32/189_2.png) [@Ctony](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Ctony)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 12:14am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/17 "2023-09-25T00:14:11Z")
![Screenshot_20230924_152516_Drive](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/b/e/beb7af54236e478a97b06465102ec2b8e54a4363.jpeg) For future reference all the checklists for everything are on the NMC’s website. ---
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 2:10am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/18 "2023-09-25T02:10:28Z")
![output_image1695607210657](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/7/d/7d7f8ef50eb4517b8c7990a0900d60c690ecc3d5.jpeg) ![output_image1695607201034](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/c/d/cdd647e1a158b5d047ac096203b6a71c2fd893b1.jpeg) Could I have this guy at work sign me off on as my QA ---
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/19 "2023-09-25T02:27:52Z")
So that I can get my oicew ---
**Author:** ![Dmurphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dmurphy/32/44488_2.png) [@Dmurphy](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Dmurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 2:30am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190/20 "2023-09-25T02:30:27Z")
![output_image1695607210657](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/7/d/7d7f8ef50eb4517b8c7990a0900d60c690ecc3d5.jpeg) ![output_image1695607201034](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/c/d/cdd647e1a158b5d047ac096203b6a71c2fd893b1.jpeg) Could this guy sign my assessment record sheet checking everything off for me so I can send it in to get my OICEW [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/dde-upgrade/67190.md?page=2)