# Climate change is poised to deliver more Black Saturdays in decades to come
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**Created:** [January 4, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754 "2020-01-04T16:41:31Z")
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### Author:  [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)
#### Post date: [January 4, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/1 "2020-01-04T16:41:31Z")
> **[Australian Navy Ships Evacuate 1,000 People Trapped by Bushfires](http://www.oldsaltblog.com/2020/01/australian-navy-ships-evacuate-1000-people-trapped-by-bushfires/)**
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> The Australian Navy landing ship HMAS Choules, supported by the training ship, MV Sycamore, evacuated 1,000 tourists and residents stranded by bushfires in Mallacoota, Australia. ABC News Australia reports that about 4,000 people, including some...
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### Author:  [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)
#### Post date: [January 5, 2020, 10:24am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/2 "2020-01-05T10:24:21Z")
spent lots of time there as a kid
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### Author:  [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)
#### Post date: [January 5, 2020, 1:09pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/3 "2020-01-05T13:09:45Z")
> **[Climate change is poised to deliver more Black Saturdays in decades to come](https://theconversation.com/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come-111064)**
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> Black Saturday in 2009 was Australia’s worst bushfire tragedy. But climate projections predict more bushfire danger in the future, threatening our water supplies as well as homes.
> The [2008 Garnaut Climate Change Review](http://www.garnautreview.org.au/2008-review.html) also warned that fire seasons will begin earlier, end slightly later, and generally be more intense. “This effect increases over time but should be directly observable by 2020,” it said.
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### Author:  [@Hartley](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hartley)
#### Post date: [January 5, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/4 "2020-01-05T16:11:57Z")
Looks like activist piffle, KC. In truth, the fire season in 1938/39 was worse in terms of area burnt (with higher recorded temperatures, too). They claim “more frequent droughts”, yet the last half-century (which encompasses the theorized Anthropogenic warming period) has been wetter on average than the two preceeding half-centuries!
Meanwhile, folks there have been resisting fire management efforts (especially controlled burns in more clement conditions) whilst complaining about increasing fire risk. Australians, of course, are hardly unique in this regard - historical American fire control policies have contributed to some devastating fires - example [Yellowstone Fire 1988](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_fires_of_1988).
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### Author:  [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 12:20am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/5 "2020-01-06T00:20:02Z")
Here’s a good artist rendering of you @Hartley:
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### Author:  [@freighterman1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/freighterman1)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 2:08am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/6 "2020-01-06T02:08:31Z")
> [@Hartley](#):
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> Looks like activist piffle, KC.
RE; Human caused global warming;
You go to nine doctors. They all say you have lung cancer. You go to a 10th doctor. He says it’s all a hoax. The reasonable person would listen to the 10th doctor, go home, light up a stogie and watch Fox News.
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### Author:  [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 2:50pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/7 "2020-01-06T14:50:03Z")
The really good thing about these devastating fires is that we (in Australia) have made a great start in reducing the fuel load in a huge area. These burnt areas won’t burn again for years.
Now, all we have to do is convince the tree-huggers, or the state governments could grow spines, and continue with much more beneficial fuel reduction burns in safer conditions sufficiently so that bush is burnt on about a 10-year cycle.
Perhaps the law could now be seen to be in error for the farmer who cleared bush around his homestead in contravention of local regulations and was fined $100,000. His house was the only one in his area to survive. It wasn’t climate change he fought, just the stupidity of its advocates.
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### Author:  [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/8 "2020-01-06T14:56:31Z")
Here’s a cutting from The Australian (our national daily newspaper) regarding the integrity of The Conversation website regarding climate change.
"Academic website, _The Conversation_ , has banned publication of comments that dispute man-made climate change and will lock the accounts of readers who attempt to post dissenting views.
As part of a global collaboration of more than 250 news outlets called Covering Climate Now, _The Conversation_ said constructive positive discussions did not include having contact with “climate change deniers”.
_The Conversation_ Australia said banning comments from contrarians was part of improving its climate change coverage."
Don’t bother quoting from sites that won’t allow debate.
Another link to an article quoting a fairly strong climate activist regarding the actual effect of climate change on drought in Australia. He’s well qualified to speak.
[http://joannenova.com.au/2019/08/prof-andy-pitman-admits-droughts-are-not-worse-and-not-linked-to-climate-change/](http://joannenova.com.au/2019/08/prof-andy-pitman-admits-droughts-are-not-worse-and-not-linked-to-climate-change/)
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### Author:  [@freighterman1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/freighterman1)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 3:23pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/9 "2020-01-06T15:23:49Z")
Also in _The Australian_:
The academic web site _The Conversation_ has banned publication of all comments from readers who state that disease is caused by voodoo dolls and witchcraft. Also, from readers who say they have a sure-fire system for slot machines.
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### Author:  [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 3:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/10 "2020-01-06T15:30:50Z")
Nope. The Conversation didn’t ban that and it wasn’t reported in The Australian. But they DO ban climate scientists who disagree with their silly views on climate change because they can’t handle debate.
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### Author:  [@freighterman1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/freighterman1)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/11 "2020-01-06T16:16:22Z")
Arguing whether climate change is responsible for wildfires is like telling a victim of the Titanic they’re not drowning because of the iceberg, but because of the water.
Kinda misses the point.
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### Author:  [@Jamesbrown](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jamesbrown)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/12 "2020-01-06T16:42:06Z")
> [@Jughead](#):
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> The really good thing about these devastating fires is that we (in Australia) have made a great start in reducing the fuel load in a huge area. These burnt areas won’t burn again for years.
Absolutely and without those half billion animals converting oxygen into carbon dioxide, it’s really a win for everyone!
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### Author:  [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 5:25pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/13 "2020-01-06T17:25:35Z")
Likely because it’s not a real debate, just disinformation.
For example the link you provided to JoNova is misleading.
Here is what Australian climate scientist Andy Pitman actually said:
> **[Climate scientist says Sky News commentators misrepresented his views on drought](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/oct/25/climate-scientist-says-sky-news-commentators-misrepresented-his-views-on-drought)**
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> Exclusive: Andy Pitman says ‘misspoken’ statement has been used by Alan Jones, Chris Kenny and Andrew Bolt to dismiss links between climate change and drought
> I’m equally certain that for some regions there’s an indirect effect of human-induced climate change on drought because of the change in rainfall patterns.”
Running this stuff down is wasting everybody’s time.
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### Author:  [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/14 "2020-01-06T23:34:48Z")
> [@freighterman1](#):
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> Kinda misses the point.
No, it doesn’t. If you could point out the actual link we’d all be much the wiser … but you can’t so you mock. That’s easier.
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### Author:  [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/15 "2020-01-06T23:46:32Z")
> [@Jamesbrown](#):
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> Absolutely and without those half billion animals converting oxygen into carbon dioxide, it’s really a win for everyone!
I’ve checked but can’t see where I mentioned animals anywhere. You brought that up.
I did use the words “devastating fires” so don’t accuse me of misrepresenting anything here. I am an Australian and know people affected. I fought bushfires and still volunteer.
It’s plain here that fully qualified seagoing officers here can’t seem to get one of the basics of the fire triangle. Pull out your textbooks and read again what elements make a fire burn. Would you like a lecture? I guarantee it won’t say, “the primary method of extinguishing fires is to expensively reduce greenhouse emissions and wait over a century and hope the temperature drops by a poofteenth. Old methods are no longer sensible nor environmentally sound.”
Please comment on the fuel aspect of bushfires. Please.
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### Author:  [@Jamesbrown](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jamesbrown)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 11:50pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/16 "2020-01-06T23:50:51Z")
You were making a pathetic ‘making lemonades out of lemons’ argument showing no level of compassion for loss of wildlife or peoples homes or lives. I made a funny to illustrate it.
I’m pretty good on the fire triangle, enough to know it’s not called a triangle anymore as well as the fuel balance equations of how fire of complex organicw like brush and trees leads to much more carbon injects to the environment than animals respiration with loss of ecosphere ability to receive and convert.
Don’t you have a sense of humor?
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### Author:  [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 11:54pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/17 "2020-01-06T23:54:45Z")
> [@Kennebec\_Captain](#):
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> For example the link you provided to JoNova is misleading.
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> Here is what Australian climate scientist Andy Pitman actually said:
And that’s you blathering disinformation. We have Andy Pitman’s voice recording. Listen to it. You show you can google. Find it. (Hint: you won’t find it in the lefty Guardian) He didn’t say what you said he meant to say. He said what he said and he has been accurately quoted.
He has simply been massively embarrassed amongst his climate catastrophist friends (and you know how nasty they can be when mightily miffed or even just slighted a wee bit). He could have been cast out of his well-paid sinecures at his university and attending luvvie conferences around the world.
Did he recant what he said entirely? No. Did he recant the temperature and rainfall records he quoted? No. Did he unequivocally link climate change to drought? NO, NO, NO.
> [@Kennebec\_Captain](#):
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> Running this stuff down is wasting everybody’s time.
You started it.
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### Author:  [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 11:56pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/18 "2020-01-06T23:56:48Z")
> [@Jamesbrown](#):
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> Don’t you have a sense of humor?
Try me with an actually funny comment.
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### Author:  [@Jamesbrown](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jamesbrown)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/19 "2020-01-06T23:58:49Z")
Why on (this incontrovertibly warning Earth) should anyone waste a moment trying to ‘convince’ or even ‘debate’ you? You can’t convince someone completely invested in being against an issue. It’s a waste. You always go off on these bad faith approaches to this particular issue. You know what people call a majority opinion - consensus. There’s no point trying to win over the 5th dentist.
G’day mate!
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### Author:  [@Jamesbrown](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jamesbrown)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2020, 11:59pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/climate-change-is-poised-to-deliver-more-black-saturdays-in-decades-to-come/53754/20 "2020-01-06T23:59:46Z")
See, proved my point. that remark was hilarious, 9 out of 10 scientists agree. you’re just dishonest and a troll.
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