# Battery / Diesel Hybrid OSV **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [July 27, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174 "2020-07-27T17:14:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kennebec\_Captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kennebec_captain/32/13_2.png) [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 10:49am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/41 "2020-07-29T10:49:41Z")
A graph showing electric and diesel torque curves: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/a/f/afc8719281fd9dfbdc5c35438b93c64e6c2a7f08.png) I assume having a flatter torque curve would be beneficial while maneuvering. I know it’s nice in a hybrid car for example accelerating on the on-ramp of the interstate. Doesn’t take a very big battery to last till the car is up to speed. from here [https://landtransportguru.net/web/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Hybrid-Torque-Curve.png](https://landtransportguru.net/web/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Hybrid-Torque-Curve.png) ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 11:55am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/42 "2020-07-29T11:55:20Z")
not much use without numbers… The diesels peak torque is higher than the electric so the electric can never do the same job unless the HP outputs are measured via gearboxes? ---
**Author:** ![MAK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@MAK](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/MAK)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 11:57am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/43 "2020-07-29T11:57:32Z")
It makes for an interesting firefighting challenge. Self contained tank with plumbing set up to flood and also overflow for cooling would be ideal. Have new stability parameters already calculated while flooding and when full. ---
**Author:** ![Kennebec\_Captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kennebec_captain/32/13_2.png) [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 12:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/44 "2020-07-29T12:04:00Z")
I don’t see that numbers are needed: electric + diesel \> diesel. In the c-max I drive the specs are gas 129 ft-lbs and electric is 117 ft-lbs. I don’t know offhand what the gas torque is at RPMs close to idle speeds but whatever it is with the electric motor it going to be about 117 ft-lbs more than without. Take this diagram; ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/d/1/d1eeb38e65bc40a1f0332ecf487ba0821f8d9523.png) Assume torque is less then half at low speed, that would give about 65 ft- lbs with gas alone and about 180 ft-lbs with both. I don’ t know how hybrid OSVs work. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 2:05pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/45 "2020-07-29T14:05:38Z")
thats gasoline engine torque and HP graph, cant compare to diesel and electric as gasoline is all about speed not tug boat stuff HP = work done TQ = twisting force that could be at zero shaft speed so no work done ---
**Author:** ![Kennebec\_Captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kennebec_captain/32/13_2.png) [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/46 "2020-07-29T17:38:50Z")
This is a car with parallel hybrid type system. Not sure how similar OSV design would be. Diagram (b) shows both ‘eng’ and ‘mot’ on-line. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/1/7/17b31fb63888d7aa1f93686dc74246ea6afdeb97.png) The engine could be any type, not relevant. I would think a boat would not use (d). [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/0/8/08ad55230c9ab38f7237749a048a3b4c413ea4cf.jpeg "2018 Ford C-Max 0 to 60") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwUVczUhL2g) ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/47 "2020-07-29T18:40:09Z")
Not much energy available for regeneration on a marine vessel. Here is a fairly good description of the options for hybrid drives: > **[Parallel hybrid propulsion for AHTS - Indonesia Marine Equipment](https://inameq.com/propulsion/parallel-hybrid-propulsion-for-ahts/)** > > A compromise between performance, energy efficiency, and investment. One of the reasons for the suitability of electric propulsion for OSVs is the large variations in the load profile of propulsors and thrusters. Total engine capacity \[...\] My company installed emissions control systems on a 50m diesel electric yacht about 2 years ago. That vessel used 4 variable speed AC generators, feeding the hotel, charging batteries, and powering the two DC Azipods. It is an interesting vessel, the 4 gensets are mounted forward (2 on each side, one above the other) and the batteries are aft. This is an illustration of the components of that system: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/6/f/6fcb0a8a612e55b433d6ed5ba7bdd929772d4560.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![coldduck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@coldduck](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/coldduck)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/48 "2020-07-29T19:50:40Z")
You guys are missing the fact that a large portion of time an OSV will be standing by offshore not performing any tasks. Optimal heading and relaxed positioning can be used so power requirements are very minimal for hours or days on end. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/49 "2020-07-30T00:33:37Z")
I worked alongside a few Italian AHTS’s that were set up with wing engines and twin input gearboxes so 2 large and 2 small engines. They used very little fuel on standby whilst we had a 5000kw v12 chugging away. It just cost more but that produces less emissions. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/50 "2020-07-30T00:38:21Z")
Why not a electric motor on a shaft so you could do variable speed when on electric only with gen sets but be able to put the main engines into gear when needed and the shaft electric motor could do fixed speed with the mains? Add a battery and you get nice setup for DP. 2 independent power sources per shaft. ---
**Author:** ![injunear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e95f7d/32.png) [@injunear](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/injunear)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 1:29am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/51 "2020-07-30T01:29:14Z")
@Steamer I’m amazed at the advancements in electric drives since I retired. Are the transformers and filters to the 150kw grid basically isolation transformers? ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/52 "2020-07-30T01:50:04Z")
like a welder they are not wound transformers of the old days they are switch mode power supplies and much smaller and lighter. and expensive and how long do they last and what happens to them when the vessel is shutdown for long periods… I remember the sparkies telling me if they shut down our rig ( 4160v) they would not be coming back to get it started again. The gear not designed to be stored nor do the manufacturers have any experience with long term shutdown not to mention that model only made for one year…parts? knowledge? etc etc. I know a DC grid system installed on a fleet of vessels by one of the EU major players, fault found during the FMEA took them 6 months of design changes to get it to work properly. Like the Airbus 380 they were designing it as they built it…what could go wrong? ---
**Author:** ![injunear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e95f7d/32.png) [@injunear](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/injunear)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 2:15am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/53 "2020-07-30T02:15:08Z")
I’ve only worked with 480 and 600 volts systems. The advancements with VFDs in the first 10 years of this century was amazing. As compared to the old square wave shit, I was amazed how clean the waveform is now. Now, it’s improved inverters. ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 2:21am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/54 "2020-07-30T02:21:20Z")
> [@injunear](#): > > Are the transformers and filters to the 150kw grid basically isolation transformers? Essentially, yes, they are resin cast wire wound 3 phase transformers. They provide 400V 3 phase and 230V single phase for hotel and service loads. Nothing cutting edge about them. The magic stuff is in the inverters and controls. ---
**Author:** ![Kraken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Kraken](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kraken)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 9:28am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/55 "2020-07-30T09:28:16Z")
![20200730_101330](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/6/5/6546dce05640d2d6ae2c5099d0d47793db0b65d5.jpeg) ![20200730_101300](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/4/5/451198a85d34642f167826e42e79cb081ae7bb72.jpeg) This is the setup we have on the AHTS I work on, and the vessel on DP just chilling on the field. A battery to just take peaks would work perfect on the system. ---
**Author:** ![spork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@spork](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/spork)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 10:48am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/56 "2020-07-30T10:48:46Z")
In some parts of the world they install mooring buoys near offshore installations so that vessels on standby can tie up and shut down all their engines. They are expensive to install but pay for themselves eventually in fuel savings. ---
**Author:** ![Kennebec\_Captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kennebec_captain/32/13_2.png) [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 10:55am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/57 "2020-07-30T10:55:25Z")
With cars there is “full hybrid” and “mild hybrid” having to do with the size of the battery. The full has a propulsion battery while the ‘mild’ version has a battery just big enough to run the car while stopped and to start the engine so that the engine can shut down at stop lights etc. > **[Hybrid electric vehicle | Types by degree of hybridization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_electric_vehicle#Types_by_degree_of_hybridization)** > > 1.Full hybrid, sometimes also called a strong hybrid, is a vehicle that can run only on a combustion engine, only on an electric motor, or a combination of both. Ford's hybrid system, Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive and General Motors/Chrysler's Two-Mode Hybrid technologies are full hybrid systems. The Toyota Prius, Ford Escape Hybrid, and Ford Fusion Hybrid are examples of full hybrids, as these cars can be moved forward on battery power alone. A large, high-capacity battery pack is needed ---
**Author:** ![Tcaptain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Tcaptain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tcaptain)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 12:24pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/58 "2020-08-13T12:24:23Z")
Then they have conned a large portion of the Maritime industry as the 300 ft paddlewheel tour boat I work part time on was built DE in 1985. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 12:40pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/59 "2020-08-13T12:40:57Z")
T2 tankers built during WWII already had Turbine/Electric propulsion ### T2 Tanker design - Cnooks ]([http://www.cnooks.nl/Jubileum/2%20%20Other%20documents/2%20%20History/WW%20I%20&%20WWII/T2%20tankers.pdf](http://www.cnooks.nl/Jubileum/2%20%20Other%20documents/2%20%20History/WW%20I%20&%20WWII/T2%20tankers.pdf)) But even that was not the first ships with electric propulsion. Even during WWI there were ships with turbo electric machinery. PS\> That is not the same as Hybride. ---
**Author:** ![Tcaptain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Tcaptain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tcaptain)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174/60 "2020-08-13T12:42:00Z")
The Chevy Volt is an electric car with a 1.5 liter generator that can supply just enough electricity to keep going once the battery is spent (53 miles). The engine only connects direct to the wheels under very specific parameters. [Previous page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/battery-diesel-hybrid-osv/56174.md?page=4)