# Air France Flight 447 **URL:** \ **Category:** Scuttlebutt\ **Created:** [April 3, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/air-france-flight-447/47743 "2018-04-03T18:37:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/air-france-flight-447/47743/45 "2018-04-26T13:50:31Z")
How much of the welders time went to build and modify things at the whim of the Rig Manager and Chief Mechanic? ---
**Author:** ![27182](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/27182/32/21380_2.png) [@27182](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/27182)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/air-france-flight-447/47743/46 "2018-04-26T14:15:27Z")
> [@Steamer](#): > > iI would say that the safety history is astoundingly good. It _has_ to be astoundingly good, or else planes will start falling out of the sky. The recent SWA incident could have easily been much worse. > [@Steamer](#): > > The idea that SWA is somehow at fault or negligent because an invisible material failure detectable only by x-ray or ultrasonic inspection is as absurd X-ray and other NDT techniques are industry standard for aircraft maintenance. It’s 2018, there isn’t anything new or unusual about it. Yeah the author got a bit melodramatic, so what, he’s still got a point. ---
**Author:** ![27182](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/27182/32/21380_2.png) [@27182](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/27182)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/air-france-flight-447/47743/47 "2018-04-26T14:18:29Z")
> [@powerabout](#): > > Or the other day out sailing I watched somebodies 380 as it just about took out the fence and people on the beach ducked whilst it did some kind of takeoff. You only see stuff that low with a fighter at an airshow. Happens every day at St. Maarten. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlTNj6IWey4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlTNj6IWey4) ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/air-france-flight-447/47743/48 "2018-04-26T14:49:16Z")
Yes it reminded me of that. I have been there a few times. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/air-france-flight-447/47743/49 "2018-04-26T14:50:07Z")
actually very little as it was a series of rigs and mods had to be approved in the office and then applied to all. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/air-france-flight-447/47743/50 "2018-04-26T16:13:56Z")
So you mean to tell me that things have changed from the good ol’ days when the Toolpusher was God and redesigned the rig to his fansy, only for the other Toolpusher to change it all on his hitch?? ---
**Author:** ![cmakin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/48db29/32.png) [@cmakin](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/cmakin)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/air-france-flight-447/47743/51 "2018-04-26T18:41:07Z")
I used to keep busy in my Class days on annual surveys, just looking for “modifications” that were detrimental to the structural well being of the Unit. . . . ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/air-france-flight-447/47743/52 "2018-04-26T20:07:26Z")
> [@27182](#): > > X-ray and other NDT techniques are industry standard for aircraft maintenance. It’s 2018, there isn’t anything new or unusual about it. No, but the implied demand that a truly safety driven organization would NDT every blade and disk before every flight or some other short interval is absurd. At some point the very act of inspection imposes a threat to material and process reliability. The old adage of “inspect it until it’s broke” did not magicallly arise from someone’s imagination. ---
**Author:** ![dbeierl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dbeierl/32/11833_2.png) [@dbeierl](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/dbeierl)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/air-france-flight-447/47743/53 "2018-04-26T20:12:58Z")
The part that concerns me isn’t the blade, it’s the containment failure. That’s not supposed to happen, ever. [Previous page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/air-france-flight-447/47743.md?page=2)