# Aid to Gaza by sea **URL:** \ **Category:** Scuttlebutt\ **Created:** [March 8, 2024, 11:36am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743 "2024-03-08T11:36:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Lee\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Lee\_Shore](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Lee_Shore)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/121 "2024-03-13T15:34:29Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > Israel is in agreement, but want to inspect the shipment for contraband and control the distribution. If Israel suspects the EU, US, UK, and contibuting Arab countries of using delivery of humanitarian aid to smuggle contraband, maybe it’s time for the international community to stop pandering to Israel. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2024, 3:48pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/122 "2024-03-13T15:48:47Z")
They have been holding up UN aid convoys using the Rafah and other crossing into Gaza for months for exactly that reason. (The same apply for the charitable aid shipment from Cyprus that is on the way) ---
**Author:** ![freighterman1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/freighterman1/32/11176_2.png) [@freighterman1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/freighterman1)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/123 "2024-03-13T16:59:41Z")
Percentage of Arab members of the Israeli Knesset (parliament): 12% Percentage of Arabs as Israeli citizens: 21% Percentage of Black members of U.S. Congress: 11% Percentage of American citizens who are black: 14% Percentage of Jewish Members of Egyptian parliament: 0% Percentage of Jewish population in Egypt: +/- 0%. The tens of thousands who used to live there were expelled in the 1950s. Percentage of Jewish Members of Iraqi parliament: 0% Percentage of Jewish population in Iraq: +/- 4 individuals. The tens of thousands who used to live there were expelled. Percentage of Saudi Arabian parliament which is Jewish: (Trick question. SA has no parliament and no native Jewish population. It did in the past but they were all driven out.) ---
**Author:** ![LI\_Domer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/li_domer/32/768_2.png) [@LI\_Domer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/LI_Domer)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2024, 7:03pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/124 "2024-03-13T19:03:19Z")
If only we could convince all these nations to embrace secularism in government and religious tolerance. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/125 "2024-03-13T20:33:21Z")
The Open Arms are now under way again, but heading in a easterly direction: > **[MarineTraffic: Global Ship Tracking Intelligence | AIS Marine Traffic](https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:85582/zoom:10)** > > MarineTraffic Live Ships Map. Discover information and vessel positions for vessels around the world. Search the MarineTraffic ships database of more than 550000 active and decommissioned vessels. Search for popular ships globally. Find locations of... Could she be on her way to Haifa?? ---
**Author:** ![Gruntledemployee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d78d45/32.png) [@Gruntledemployee](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Gruntledemployee)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/126 "2024-03-13T21:25:43Z")
Well, their business model until now has been to act as a prepaid Uber to deliver mostly military-aged nonassimilable men from the African coast directly to Italy. So maybe the Open Society Foundation wasn’t happy that the spigot of frequently violent nonworking mouths to feed are taking the foot off the gas on destabilizing Europe. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:55am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/127 "2024-03-14T07:55:02Z")
Norway full supporting the tamil tiger terrorists ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/128 "2024-03-14T13:52:33Z")
There are abt. 13000 Tamils living in Norway at the moment. Many of them are refugees from Jaffna in Sri Lanka that arrived over the 26 year of fighting there. It has not been easy for the to get used to the climate and culture changes, but now they are well integrated. Without them many of the fish processing plants in small remote villages in the far north of Norway would have to shut down. I don’t know if that is what you meant by “fully supporting the Tamil Tigers (LTTE)”? PS\> The civil war in Sri Lanka was over in 2009. Haven’t you noticed that Chilli Crabs started to taste different after that?? ---
**Author:** ![freighterman1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/freighterman1/32/11176_2.png) [@freighterman1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/freighterman1)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/129 "2024-03-14T18:41:24Z")
There is one silver lining to all this. An expensive one. So expensive as to not justify the operation by itself. But when a silver lining presents itself, take it. These complex operations continually test the U.S. military the way a simple exercises never would. The more complex and dangerous an operation is, the better trained the U.S. military is to deal with similar ones later. The Iraq War was a mistake, IMO. But I also realize the U.S. military learned a lot about its capabilities and weakness during that war. I wish the war never happened but I admit the military is more skilled because of it. Thing is, those skills are soon forgotten unless tested in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![Lee\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Lee\_Shore](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Lee_Shore)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 8:34pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/130 "2024-03-14T20:34:23Z")
Exactly right. The war machine needs to be kept humming to stay sharp. > **[The Army's floating pier in Gaza is a preview of Indo-Pacific tactics](https://taskandpurpose.com/news/the-armys-floating-pier-in-gaza-is-a-preview-of-china-tactics/)** > > The Trident pier is part of the Joint Logistics Over-the-Shore, or JLOTS, plans that will be at the core of any future Pacific conflict. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 3:46am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/131 "2024-03-15T03:46:32Z")
UK comes first with the SAS and the US a close second with having constant war experience. One reason they are in front of the rest US of course gets involved in larger operations ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 4:05am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/132 "2024-03-15T04:05:15Z")
The chilli crabs got bigger and juicer after the tsunami and cheaper as the locals wouldnt eat them once the word got around on what crabs eat. My Sri Lankan friends at the time were convinced there was some oil n gas close to Sri Lanka so the Norwegians were supporting the LTTE hoping to get the contracts if they won the war. None could understand why they supported the LTTE. [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-srilanka-norway-tigers-idUSTRE74J3RS20110520/](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-srilanka-norway-tigers-idUSTRE74J3RS20110520/) Norway up to its neck prolonging a war re funding and shelter for a UN designated terror organisation > **[Rajapaksa accuses Norway of funding the LTTE | Tamil Guardian](https://www.tamilguardian.com/content/rajapaksa-accuses-norway-funding-ltte)** > > The Sri Lankan president accused Norway of funding the Liberation Tamil Tigers of Tamil Eelam during the three-decade ethnic conflict reports Colombo Page. Speaking at a function in Kurunegala on [https://mfa.gov.lk/norway-main-venue-for-ltte-terror-revival/](https://mfa.gov.lk/norway-main-venue-for-ltte-terror-revival/) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 1:19pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/133 "2024-03-15T13:19:10Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/6/7/674ac5962afaef02e601f7dd020525d99b749573.jpeg) The Open Arms ship approaches the shores of Gaza towing a barge with 200 tons of humanitarian aid on March 15, 2024. © Abdel Kareem Hana, AP > **[🔴Live: Spanish aid ship Open Arms reaches Gaza coast with 200 tonnes of food](https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20240315-%F0%9F%94%B4live-palestinians-killed-while-awaiting-aid-in-israeli-attacks-in-the-gaza-strip)** > > The Spanish aid vessel Open Arms carrying 200 tonnes of food destined for Gaza reached the besieged territory’s coast on Friday. The aid comes as the United Nations has repeatedly warned of famine in… > **[MarineTraffic: Global Ship Tracking Intelligence | AIS Marine Traffic](https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:34.393/centery:31.500/zoom:14)** > > MarineTraffic Live Ships Map. Discover information and vessel positions for vessels around the world. Search the MarineTraffic ships database of more than 550000 active and decommissioned vessels. Search for popular ships globally. Find locations of... Meanwhile in Gaza City. > **[‘Massacre’: Israel forces attack crowds waiting for aid in Gaza, killing 21](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/15/massacre-israel-forces-attack-crowds-waiting-for-aid-in-gaza-killing-21)** > > Palestinian officials call latest assault ‘premeditated’ as people seeking humanitarian supplies increasingly targeted. But the Israelis it was “armed Palestinians” that attacked the crowd, not Israeli soldiers: [https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2024/03/15/Israel-claims-armed-Palestinians-not-army-fired-on-Gaza-crowd-awaiting-aid](https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2024/03/15/Israel-claims-armed-Palestinians-not-army-fired-on-Gaza-crowd-awaiting-aid) It doesn’t say if the Israeli soldiers tried to shoot and kill the “armed Palestinians”, or just watch the carnage. Everybody knows that Israel is at war with Hamas, not civilian Gazans. Presumably they were not interested, since the armed men “obviously” wasn’t Hamas fighter. (No green head band?) ---
**Author:** ![tugsailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9adbd/32.png) [@tugsailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tugsailor)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/134 "2024-03-15T13:41:48Z")
Nothing changes the facts: Hamas is a terrorist organization. Hamas was elected by Palestinians to be the government of Gaza. Hamas started this particular conflict by raping and killing hundreds of innocent Israelis in their homes in Israel, and by taking hundreds of them hostage. Hamas still holds hundreds of Israeli hostages in Gaza which it refuses to release. . Hamas knew and desired that Israel would have no choice, but to counterattack and that a counterattack would kill thousands of Gazans. If fact, Hamas desired that result. What kind of people elect terrorists to be their government? Terrorists? Terrorist enablers? Terrorist sympathizers? Is there even one person in Gaza who is not an anti-Semitic Jew hater that wants to wipe Israel off the map and kill all the Jews while chanting “From the river to the sea”? So who is the root cause of Gazans being killed today: Hamas or Israel? I am amazed by the number of people that get the answer to that question wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Meme.Lord](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/meme.lord/32/29401_2.png) [@Meme.Lord](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Meme.Lord)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 3:10pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/135 "2024-03-15T15:10:15Z")
> [@tugsailor](#): > > Is there even one person in Gaza who is not an anti-Semitic Jew hater that wants to wipe Israel off the map and kill all the Jews while chanting “From the river to the sea”? I don’t disagree with most of what you said except for this, statistically there are lots of people in Gaza who likely don’t give a shit and are caught in the crossfire. Probably a large portion in reality. > [@tugsailor](#): > > What kind of people elect terrorists to be their government? Terrorists? Terrorist enablers? Terrorist sympathizers? Friendly reminder that George Washington was a domestic terrorist. Not to the level of what Hamas has done, but domestic terrorists none the less. The American revolution would be shown in an entirely different light in today’s global media. ---
**Author:** ![freighterman1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/freighterman1/32/11176_2.png) [@freighterman1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/freighterman1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/136 "2024-03-15T16:44:42Z")
> [@Meme.Lord](#): > > Friendly reminder that George Washington was a domestic terrorist. IMHO, no. A terrorist is a person who deliberately kills civilians with the specific intention of instilling terror, without warning, and without regard to the laws of war. When did GW do that? ---
**Author:** ![Meme.Lord](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/meme.lord/32/29401_2.png) [@Meme.Lord](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Meme.Lord)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 5:37pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/137 "2024-03-15T17:37:32Z")
> # How the USA PATRIOT Act redefines “Domestic Terrorism” > > A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act “dangerous to human life” that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. > > ~[Source](https://www.aclu.org/documents/how-usa-patriot-act-redefines-domestic-terrorism) Most of the flash points leading up to the revolution were acts of domestic terrorism like the Boston Tea Party, but leading an “army” against your government in unconventional (at the time) guerrilla style attacks is definitely considered to be terrorism these days, mostly treason back then. The civilian militias like the three percenters are generally considered to be domestic terrorists, despite having as much authority as the Continental congress would have had. Similar to the Boston tea party, a lot of folks arrested in the Occupy movement, or the Civil unrest surrounding BLM and the election have caught domestic terrorism charges. The January 6th folks caught treason charges in addition to domestic terrorism. The [Bundy Standoff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff) is also a fascinating 2A/Domestic terrorism situation with parallels to the American Revolution. [Highly recommend the podcast Bundyville.](https://www.npr.org/podcasts/606441988/bundyville) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 5:52pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/138 "2024-03-15T17:52:33Z")
It is true that Norway was heavily involved in an attempt at bringing peace to Sri Lanka: > **[Mission Impossible: The arduous road to peace in Sri Lanka](https://www.cmi.no/news/932-mission-impossible)** > > Norwegian attempts to bring the festered conflict in Sri Lanka to an end were futile. An evaluation of the Norwegian peacebuilding eff... Likewise in an attempt to bring pace in the Israel-Palestine conflict. (the Oslo accords) Some may even know that Norway played a major role in ending the decade long civil war in Colombia. If you don’t know, Google it. But all that is for a different thread and will not make much difference to those who think I would be upset over these attempt at Norway bashing. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/139 "2024-03-15T20:30:45Z")
Video from the arrival of the aid ship Open Arms off a beach in Gaza: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/c/e/ce4cb011ff24eecba992d83096fd2c7f160cfb3b.jpeg "Ship carrying aid arrives off the coast of Gaza | Al Jazeera Newsfeed") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XECXfO9yhdg) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 10:22pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743/140 "2024-03-15T22:22:31Z")
Singapore is another country that send aid to Gaza (not by sea for now): > **[Singapore to deliver third tranche of humanitarian aid for Gaza](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-gaza-humanitarian-assistance-rsaf-airdrop-jordan-4196956)** > > An RSAF C-130 transport aircraft will stay on to conduct humanitarian airdrop operations staged out of Jordan. > [@](#): > > The Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) will be deploying an A330 Multi-Role Tanker Transport (MRTT) and a C-130 transport aircraft for the mission. > “At the invitation of the Jordanian government, the C-130 will stay on and conduct humanitarian airdrop operations staged out of Jordan with support from the Jordanian Armed Forces”, MFA said. [Previous page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/aid-to-gaza-by-sea/68743.md?page=8)