# AB Unlimitted to Thirdmate Deep Sea **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [January 14, 2023, 2:48am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158 "2023-01-14T02:48:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![IanAg4R](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ianag4r/32/37950_2.png) [@IanAg4R](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/IanAg4R)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:48am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/1 "2023-01-14T02:48:54Z")
Need some knowledge, all help are much appreiatedšŸ¤™šŸ½ I am sailing as AB on APL and Matson container ships, some MARAD grey hull ships, I have AB unlimitted. I do have OIC-NW and sailing as 3rdmate before( foreign flags, last ship was 2016) moved here in the states (CALI), have to start from the bottom, and now have my AB unlimitted. What is the best way to get/have a OIC-NW or Thirdmate liscense? Please show me the way, šŸ˜…. Thank you allšŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![Alex63](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/cc9497/32.png) [@Alex63](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Alex63)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 12:52pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/2 "2023-01-14T12:52:45Z")
Do you have US citizenship? ---
**Author:** ![IanAg4R](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ianag4r/32/37950_2.png) [@IanAg4R](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/IanAg4R)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 1:13pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/3 "2023-01-14T13:13:39Z")
Yes Sir, I do have my US Citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![Chieflixsomz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ac8455/32.png) [@Chieflixsomz](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Chieflixsomz)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 6:26pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/4 "2023-01-14T18:26:58Z")
In order to get OICNW for Third Mate. . 1080 days sea time . Advanced Ff . Arpa Radar Cert . medical Care . GMDSS . ECDIS . Celestial Training Cert or sign off by officer onboard . Terrestrial Training Cert or sign off . Proficiency in Survival Craft. I think if you have those trainings Coast guard will allow you to take the 7 modules test thatā€™s what I did before. . ---
**Author:** ![jdcavo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jdcavo/32/108_2.png) [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/5 "2023-01-14T18:43:47Z")
> [@Chieflixsomz](#): > > In order to get OICNW for Third Mate. This is just wrong. Youā€™re intermixing STCW and the national endorsement and leaving aloof things out and including stuff that isnā€™t required. They are separate and you dont need STCW to get the national endorsement. Third Mate requirements are [here](https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/NMC/pdfs/checklists/mcp_fm_nmc5_05_web.pdf). STCW OICNW are [here](https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/NVIC-12-14%20%28Incl-CH-6%29%2020221222.pdf). ---
**Author:** ![Alex63](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/cc9497/32.png) [@Alex63](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Alex63)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/6 "2023-01-14T21:30:11Z")
Ok, because this is first question they ask. Uscg does not issue officerā€™s licenses to none US citizens. Other than that I believe jdcavo explained everything else just right. ---
**Author:** ![IanAg4R](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ianag4r/32/37950_2.png) [@IanAg4R](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/IanAg4R)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 10:19pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/7 "2023-01-14T22:19:13Z")
I do have the seatime, USCG credited me with 1400+ dayss from my foreign flags sea time and I have been sailing with SUP for some time now, with AB unlimitted endoresment, and a US Citizen. ---
**Author:** ![IanAg4R](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ianag4r/32/37950_2.png) [@IanAg4R](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/IanAg4R)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 10:22pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/8 "2023-01-14T22:22:39Z")
Do I need to take the trainings first before I can take the test right? And one more thing,for review, is lapware good? Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![ItsJody](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/itsjody/32/9624_2.png) [@ItsJody](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ItsJody)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/9 "2023-01-15T15:33:55Z")
and so many more classes on top of these. ---
**Author:** ![jdcavo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jdcavo/32/108_2.png) [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2023, 3:43pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/10 "2023-01-15T15:43:08Z")
> [@IanAg4R](#): > > Do I need to take the trainings first before I can take the test right? The test is for the license, most of the ā€œtrainingsā€ cited above are for STCW. You do have to take the courses noted on the link I gave for the 3rd Mate checklist before you will be approved to take the test. As I noted, you can get the national endorsement (license) for 3rd Mate without getting STCW OICNW. But you do need to take the courses required for 3rd Mate. ---
**Author:** ![IanAg4R](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ianag4r/32/37950_2.png) [@IanAg4R](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/IanAg4R)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/11 "2023-01-15T17:00:23Z")
Understood, thank you for all the infos. Gathering all my docs for to ticked the requirements checklist. Thanks again! ---
**Author:** ![Seadog6726](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Seadog6726](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Seadog6726)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/12 "2023-01-16T17:00:10Z")
Your best bet now, Ian, is to talk to MMP and see if they will send you to MITAGS on their upgrade program. ---
**Author:** ![IanAg4R](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ianag4r/32/37950_2.png) [@IanAg4R](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/IanAg4R)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/13 "2023-01-16T23:12:35Z")
This is nice to know. You are trying to say that I need to join MMP as AB and asked them if they can send me MITAGS? thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Guam\_Haole](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/guam_haole/32/23427_2.png) [@Guam\_Haole](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Guam_Haole)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/14 "2023-01-17T21:52:21Z")
pinoy? ---
**Author:** ![IanAg4R](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ianag4r/32/37950_2.png) [@IanAg4R](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/IanAg4R)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 12:32am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ab-unlimitted-to-thirdmate-deep-sea/65158/15 "2023-01-18T00:32:36Z")
Yes Sir!