# A Mari Usque Ad Mare Ad Mare **URL:** \ **Category:** Scuttlebutt\ **Created:** [September 5, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626 "2016-09-05T18:42:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/81 "2017-08-03T16:30:17Z")
Maybe these girls could show off their seal skin cloths to the tourists on the Crystal Serenity, if she call at a port in their land: [https://www.arcticnow.com/arctic-news/2017/03/21/pride-trumps-fear-for-inuit-at-sealing-event-on-parliament-hill/](https://www.arcticnow.com/arctic-news/2017/03/21/pride-trumps-fear-for-inuit-at-sealing-event-on-parliament-hill/) Coming from a town where dozens of seal catchers were home ported until into the 1980’s, this hysteria over seal hunting just gets me mad. What is wrong with hunting seals? Is it any different from hunting deers, or slaughtering any domestic animals to feed the craving for meat of the same people who are protesting against seal hunting? (Hamburger in hand) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/82 "2017-08-03T17:07:52Z")
Bolivia has a river port on the Parana Waterway: [http://www.la-razon.com/index.php?\_url=/suplementos/financiero/Puerto-Aguirre-cumple-anos-comercio\_0\_1687631316.html](http://www.la-razon.com/index.php?_url=/suplementos/financiero/Puerto-Aguirre-cumple-anos-comercio_0_1687631316.html) There is also a port on the Paraguay-Paraná waterway called Puerto Busch: [https://portalportuario.cl/empresarios-bolivianos-piden-a-su-gobierno-priorizar-puerto-busch-para-salir-al-atlantico/](https://portalportuario.cl/empresarios-bolivianos-piden-a-su-gobierno-priorizar-puerto-busch-para-salir-al-atlantico/) Both ports are mainly served by barges and tugs very much in the American style. (Maybe second hand?) On Lake Titicaca there was regular service by one of the nicest steam ferries in the world: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS\_Ollanta](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Ollanta) Here is more on the steamship traffic on Lake Titicaca: [http://www.nonesuchexpeditions.com/nonesuch-features/lake-titicaca-steamships/titicaca-steam-ships.htm](http://www.nonesuchexpeditions.com/nonesuch-features/lake-titicaca-steamships/titicaca-steam-ships.htm) Sorry, we got a bit away from the Canadian Arctic. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/83 "2017-08-08T22:40:34Z")
We had a thing going about the wreck of the Maud in some thread here, but cannot remember where. In any case, they are getting ready to tow her across the Atlantic as soon as the ice situation in and around Cambridge Bay allows. Meanwhile it is time for a party: [https://www.budstikka.no/lars-bjerke/maud/nyheter/reiser-til-maud-land/s/5-55-520305](https://www.budstikka.no/lars-bjerke/maud/nyheter/reiser-til-maud-land/s/5-55-520305) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/84 "2017-08-08T22:53:22Z")
No better place to put this article from Arctic Now: [https://www.arcticnow.com/voices/2017/08/08/swimming-for-rapprochement/](https://www.arcticnow.com/voices/2017/08/08/swimming-for-rapprochement/) Or this one: [https://www.arcticnow.com/arctic-news/2017/08/08/nasa-brings-a-new-arctic-satellite-laser-to-svalbard/](https://www.arcticnow.com/arctic-news/2017/08/08/nasa-brings-a-new-arctic-satellite-laser-to-svalbard/) ---
**Author:** ![Kraken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Kraken](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kraken)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/85 "2017-08-08T23:21:29Z")
The loophole east of Svalbard was closed 7 years ago. > **[Norway and Russia 'open up for business' in the Barents sea](http://www.bbc.com/news/business-11299024)** > > Russia and Norway sign an Arctic border agreement, ending a 40-year dispute over an area in the Barents Sea that contains potentially huge oil and gas reserves. The fishery protection zone around Svalbard is not part of the Svalbard Treaty. ---
**Author:** ![Emrobu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/emrobu/32/6696_2.png) [@Emrobu](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Emrobu)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/86 "2017-08-09T04:28:13Z")
> [@Kraken](#): > > The loophole east of Svalbard was closed 7 years ago. Thank you, sir. I knew that map was our of date, but I haven’t found an up-to-date one that’s so informative, yet. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 9:23am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/87 "2017-08-09T09:23:45Z")
One more new vessel heading to Canada: [https://sysla.no/maritim/na-har-kleven-fatt-levert-dette-skipet/](https://sysla.no/maritim/na-har-kleven-fatt-levert-dette-skipet/) Although it doesn’t say so in this article, she has been purchased by a Canadian company called Horizon Maritime in Halifax and renamed Horizon Star: [http://www.vikebladet.no/naeringsliv/2017/08/08/Seld-til-Horizon-15125290.ece](http://www.vikebladet.no/naeringsliv/2017/08/08/Seld-til-Horizon-15125290.ece) The offshore fleet in Canada is definitely growing. ---
**Author:** ![Emrobu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/emrobu/32/6696_2.png) [@Emrobu](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Emrobu)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 10:34am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/88 "2017-08-09T10:34:46Z")
Will they reflag her? Still not totally clear on whether the new CETA protects the old Canadian rules about flags and crew’s nationality. I think it does? ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 11:35am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/89 "2017-08-09T11:35:18Z")
She is Canadian owned and operated now. I assume the flag will be Canadian and home port Halifax. Will check when info become available. Owner’s home page: [https://www.horizonmaritime.com/](https://www.horizonmaritime.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 11:46am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/90 "2017-08-09T11:46:59Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > “Rescue” may be a strong word … Sorry about the derail but it’s only a short sidetrack. “Rescue” is a euphemism for human trafficking. Those “rescue” vessels are a large part of the people smuggler’s business plan. If not for them the number of “refugees” would be insignificant. > **[Libyan Patrol Boat Fires Warning Shots at Rescue Ship](https://maritime-executive.com/article/libyan-patrol-boat-fires-warning-shots-at-rescue-ship)** > > On Monday, Catalan maritime rescue NGO Proactiva Open Arms said that a Libyan patrol boat fired warning shots and threatened to shoot at the migrant ---
**Author:** ![Emrobu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/emrobu/32/6696_2.png) [@Emrobu](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Emrobu)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/91 "2017-08-09T15:18:27Z")
Crap. Lets just hope nothing breaks outside. None of my ppe is kevlar. Maybe I’ll just make my nest in the citadel tonight with the lucky hammer. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/2X/9/9894b4d767027ec0093e1a408996b5676a3a0985.png) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/92 "2017-08-09T21:04:40Z")
Siem Pilot was part of the European Boarder Security Force (Frontex) and not chartered by an NGO. Actually the charterer was the Norwegian Government. I agree that the traffickers are now using the do gooders as part of their business plan, but what is the solution here? Should you let thousands more drown, or try to stop the flow of migrants from sub-saharan Africa from feeling the need to escape from their mismanaged countries? If 1% of what is spent on arms and defense in the rich world was used to create better living conditions in the source countries there would be a far fewer fleeing from poverty and hunger. I don’t mean by giving money to corrupt regimes, but by investing in local production and opening up markets for their trade. Reducing tariffs on import of goods from those countries and stop subsidizing farmers who produce too much produce, which is then dumped on their markets would be a easy first step. If western powers stopped propping up corrupt regimes because they pay lip service to “democracy” and suites their political needs at the time would also be a good beginning. ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/93 "2017-08-09T22:41:40Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > … if western powers stopped propping up corrupt regimes … As long as there are minerals under the soil that will never, ever, happen so yes, let the idiots drown until the word gets out that paying a human trafficker is no different than trying to swim to Florida. Maybe then they will turn their efforts toward overthrowing their corrupt “leaders.” Depopulating some African wasteland plays right into the hands of the kleptocrats and arms merchants in DC, London, Paris, Bejing, and Moscow. Maybe letting the world watch them rot in the fields and on the streets outside government palaces is what it will take to stop “developed” nations from feeding this insanity. But as long as they vanish at sea or end up selling umbrellas and trinkets at Europeann tourist traps the trafficker market will bloom, with the help of those NGO’s and GO’s with a guilty conscience. ---
**Author:** ![Emrobu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/emrobu/32/6696_2.png) [@Emrobu](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Emrobu)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:37pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/94 "2017-08-17T12:37:54Z")
What the actual. whut. why. how is Alaska even. I can’t. Greenland is. Svalbard is. Franz Flippin Josef Land is. Where is… UT Dallas: you really pooched this one. This aggression will not stand, man. Where did you get this damn thing? Where are the Tums? I’m on to you, sirs: “no one can claim land if its not on the map. mwahahaha!” Get hooped. ![lng_market](https://cdck-file-uploads-us1.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/2X/8/8f2caa0a14b62a3d1081d1808915d34bd45d2fa1.png) > **[pipelines.pdf](https://www.utdallas.edu/~metin/Merit/Folios/pipelines.pdf)** > > 7.18 MB Tabarnak on Toast. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 12:01pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/95 "2017-08-22T12:01:10Z")
More on the Maud’s return to where she was built: [https://www.arcticnow.com/arctic-news/2017/08/21/its-first-stop-greenland-for-amundsens-maud-after-departing-nunavut/](https://www.arcticnow.com/arctic-news/2017/08/21/its-first-stop-greenland-for-amundsens-maud-after-departing-nunavut/) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/96 "2017-08-23T19:51:32Z")
The Chinese is showing great interest in the NSR and the NWP this year: [https://www.arcticnow.com/voices/ana...ern-sea-route/](https://www.arcticnow.com/voices/ana...ern-sea-route/) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 10:23am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/97 "2017-09-15T10:23:29Z")
More on the above. The Chinese is more active in the Arctic and see greater potential in opening of the Arctic to shipping, oil exploration and tourism than most members of the Arctic Council. A Chinese icebreaker has traversed both the NSR and the NWP this year: [https://www.arcticnow.com/arctic-news/2017/09/13/china-sent-a-ship-to-the-arctic-for-science-then-state-media-announced-a-new-trade-route/](https://www.arcticnow.com/arctic-news/2017/09/13/china-sent-a-ship-to-the-arctic-for-science-then-state-media-announced-a-new-trade-route/) ​​​​​​​PS\> China is an observer at the Arctic Council. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/98 "2017-09-16T20:18:51Z")
Speeding ticket the Canadian way: [http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/transport-canada-fines-canadian-coast-guard-ship-1.4293479](http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/transport-canada-fines-canadian-coast-guard-ship-1.4293479) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2017, 11:22am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/99 "2017-09-17T11:22:57Z")
From Canadian Underwriters: [https://www.canadianunderwriter.ca/insurance/cyberattacks-autonomous-vessels-arctic-exploration-piracy-top-risks-shipping-industry-lloyds-1004120576/](https://www.canadianunderwriter.ca/insurance/cyberattacks-autonomous-vessels-arctic-exploration-piracy-top-risks-shipping-industry-lloyds-1004120576/) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626/100 "2017-09-20T19:43:09Z")
The Russians are steadily increasing their presents and control in the Arctic: [https://www.arcticnow.com/arctic-news/2017/09/19/fsbs-new-arctic-vessel-criss-crosses-northern-waters-shows-enhanced-security-presence-in-region/](https://www.arcticnow.com/arctic-news/2017/09/19/fsbs-new-arctic-vessel-criss-crosses-northern-waters-shows-enhanced-security-presence-in-region/) The Polyanya Zvezda: [http://arctic.ru/infrastructure/20170130/537228.html](http://arctic.ru/infrastructure/20170130/537228.html) [Previous page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/a-mari-usque-ad-mare-ad-mare/16626.md?page=6)