# 500/1600 ton Mate to 3rd/2nd Mate **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [April 20, 2012, 11:50am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376 "2012-04-20T11:50:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 11:50am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/1 "2012-04-20T11:50:18Z")
Where is the reference that says that someone who takes the 500/1600 ton mate exam in or after 2002 can upgrade to 3m/2m without further testing? ---
**Author:** ![Diesel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@Diesel](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Diesel)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:23pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/2 "2012-04-20T12:23:37Z")
Policy Letter 11-07 ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:36pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/3 "2012-04-20T12:36:57Z")
Thanks. I skimmed it on my phone and apparently did not read deep enough. ---
**Author:** ![chile\_caliente](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/258eb7/32.png) [@chile\_caliente](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/chile_caliente)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 12:13pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/4 "2012-04-21T12:13:14Z")
I went onto the NMC website and it appears they have removed all the policy letters from the regulations and codes page. Anyone else disturbed by this? ---
**Author:** ![mradventure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aca169/32.png) [@mradventure](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/mradventure)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 12:17pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/5 "2012-04-21T12:17:49Z")
Hello can someone provide me to a link for 11-7 I counld not find it on the web. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 12:49pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/6 "2012-04-21T12:49:17Z")
[QUOTE=chile caliente;67795]I went onto the NMC website and it appears they have removed all the policy letters from the regulations and codes page. Anyone else disturbed by this?[/QUOTE] They are all still there. [http://uscg.mil/nmc/policies\_and\_guidelines/default.asp](http://uscg.mil/nmc/policies_and_guidelines/default.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 12:50pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/7 "2012-04-21T12:50:03Z")
[QUOTE=mradventure;67797]Hello can someone provide me to a link for 11-7 I counld not find it on the web.[/QUOTE] The second result… (And with a typo no less, searching for “policy letter 100-07”…) [http://www.google.com/search?q=policy+letter+100-07&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a](http://www.google.com/search?q=policy+letter+100-07&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) A lot of results using “polcy letter 11-07”: [http://www.google.com/search?q=policy+letter+11-07&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a](http://www.google.com/search?q=policy+letter+11-07&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) Or using “uscg policy letter 11-07”: [http://www.google.com/search?q=uscg+policy+letter+11-07&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a](http://www.google.com/search?q=uscg+policy+letter+11-07&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) ---
**Author:** ![chile\_caliente](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/258eb7/32.png) [@chile\_caliente](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/chile_caliente)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/8 "2012-04-21T19:19:52Z")
> [@"Capt. Phoenix"](#): > > They are all still there. > > [http://uscg.mil/nmc/policies\_and\_guidelines/default.asp](http://uscg.mil/nmc/policies_and_guidelines/default.asp) Thanks for that, glad their still there. ---
**Author:** ![Diesel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@Diesel](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Diesel)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 11:18am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/9 "2012-04-23T11:18:01Z")
They are always there under the policy and guidance tab. ---
**Author:** ![chile\_caliente](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/258eb7/32.png) [@chile\_caliente](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/chile_caliente)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 1:19pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/10 "2012-04-23T13:19:49Z")
> [@"Diesel"](#): > > They are always there under the policy and guidance tab. Thanks, had to use the site map. The tabs don’t work with safari on the iPad. Been schooled… ---
**Author:** ![malik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e36b37/32.png) [@malik](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/malik)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 6:21pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/11 "2012-04-25T18:21:41Z")
Have any of you actually done this? How about 500 ton NC to 3rd AGT NC? ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/12 "2012-04-25T18:33:53Z")
I’m working on it now. They have no record that I ever tested for mate and were not aware of policy letter 11-07… ---
**Author:** ![malik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e36b37/32.png) [@malik](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/malik)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/13 "2012-04-25T18:45:06Z")
Capt. Phoenix, does that mean that you are working on getting the CG to allow you to do this, get 3rd on a 500 ton license? or prepping for the test? ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 4:53am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/14 "2012-04-26T04:53:49Z")
> [@"malik"](#): > > Capt. Phoenix, does that mean that you are working on getting the CG to allow you to do this, get 3rd on a 500 ton license? or prepping for the test? I am getting them to essentially let me do that. ---
**Author:** ![malik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e36b37/32.png) [@malik](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/malik)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 6:34am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/15 "2012-04-26T06:34:48Z")
[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;68122]I am getting them to essentially let me do that.[/QUOTE] please keep us posted! ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 5:31am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/17 "2012-04-27T05:31:44Z")
> [@"malik"](#): > > please keep us posted! They approved my upgrade without needing to test for 2M since I tested for 500 ton mate in 2008. If they say you need to, just explain to them that policy letter 11-07 says that you do not need to test for 3M/2M if you ashley tested for 500/1600 ton mate nc/ocean on or after 01 February 2002. (The exact quote is on page six.) ---
**Author:** ![malik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e36b37/32.png) [@malik](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/malik)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/18 "2012-04-27T12:55:38Z")
Capt Pheonix, Congradulations!!! So you got 2nd mate agt with a 500 ton mate? ---
**Author:** ![ryanwood86](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a698b9/32.png) [@ryanwood86](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ryanwood86)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 1:26pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/19 "2012-04-27T13:26:09Z")
> [@"Capt. Phoenix"](#): > > They approved my upgrade without needing to test for 2M since I tested for 500 ton mate in 2008. If they say you need to, just explain to them that policy letter 11-07 says that you do not need to test for 3M/2M if you ashley tested for 500/1600 ton mate nc/ocean on or after 01 February 2002. (The exact quote is on page six.) How did you meet the requirement for half your time being on a vessel over 1600 tons? ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 1:39pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/20 "2012-04-27T13:39:57Z")
> [@"ryanwood86"](#): > > How did you meet the requirement for half your time being on a vessel over 1600 tons? I didn’t. I will have a tonnage restriction of 2000grt / 4000gt. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376/21 "2012-04-27T13:41:27Z")
> [@"malik"](#): > > Capt Pheonix, Congradulations!!! > So you got 2nd mate agt with a 500 ton mate? I currently have a 1600 ton master ocean and master of towing ocean. I didn’t need to test for 2m because I took the 500 ton mate exam four years ago. I still need to test for master agt inland though… [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/500-1600-ton-mate-to-3rd-2nd-mate/7376.md?page=2)