This is exactly what the USCG NMC told me when I asked them the question. I am only putting up what I have found out.
I have also been offered a job on the great lakes, 1000 ft bulk carrier for which the comapny and AMO know that I do not have a OICEW.
Your findings reinforce what what I received from the USCG because in each case it states a specific duty that would be listed on a minimum manning certificate by that name. Items A-E refer to RFPEW, Able Seafarer Engine, RFPNW, Able seafarer Deck etc. these specific titles will be listed on the minimum manning certificate by name. This again goes back to the USCG response that I received stating:
…or on vessels whose manning requirements state you need to hold it…
Item (f) states again as per the USCG response that:
…on an international voyage…
Which is addressed in my reply and in the USCG reply above already with definitions and explanations.
the last two items in the CFR you referenced isnt relavent to engine department BUT being a ETO for many years I have my GMDSS Operator and Maintainer along with a valid medical certificate.
I really don’t care if you believe me but if anyone in the same situation comes across this post please call, email or write a letter and mail it to the NMC and ask them they WILL give you the exact same response I have received. I am not saying that you do not need to get the OICEW endorsement but in the current state of the regulations as written and the vacuum it has created with approved training every single hawspiper is looking at the additional classes alone of 80 days and $13,700 for the 5 new classes not including the MCP, survival craft, basic and advanced FF etc.
I just want everyone to know don’t give up go ahead and get your 3rds (testing), maybe find a job or continue as a QMED because while you are taking your classes for OICEW you will at least get 2-1 on your 2nds (up to a maximum of 180 days), that there are options out there. listen to me or don’t I don’t care but at least get a hold of the NMC or REC and ASK FIRST before you just blindly take the advise of someone and THEIR interpretation of the CFR’s. Because it doesn’t mean jack what counts is what the all mighty regulators i.e. the USCG interpret them to mean. Besides the inland and great lakes could give a holy good god damn what the STCW says they are kinda stubborn that way.
One last thing:
- To test for and hold a 3rd Assistant Engineer you only need (besides seatime and HP requirements) CPR, First Aid, Basic and advanced FF THATS IT! When you pass the test and you will receive the license without STCW restrictions other than motor if your seatime is only on motor vessels, or you apply for a limited 3rds.
- YOU DO NOT NEED THE STCW TO TEST FOR OR RECIEVE YOUR 3RDS PERIOD
- EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID IS ON THE INTERNET IN BLACK AND WHITE AND CAN BE VERIFIED WITH THE USCG