Understanding China


#541

The responsibility of any “statesman” of any nation is to place the needs of their people and nation first, as Trump stated at the UN, now this is viewed as radical and extreme only because it interferes with the Globalist-Socialist future model of the no-borders identity destroying agenda.


#542

#543

thats one business that will get better when the rest of the world agrees to drop tariffs in USA products ( German), once they learn they dont like their own medicine


#544

China pushing DP world out of Doraleh, I expect they are fronting the cash. This will give PRC a naval base near Bab el Mandeb


#545

Sell your shares in John Deere, ADM etc:

https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/china-does-not-need-u-s-soybeans-for-state-reserves-sinograin-official/


#546

Perhaps you should reconsider travelling to any place foreign, knowing how dangerous it is.
You may get knifed, bombed or run down by a crazy person in a van or something.
You know there are millions of them dangerous migrants roaming the streets of Europe just waiting for a change to get you.


#547

Both of you guys are zealots for your extreme points of view. The truth lies in the middle.


#548

OK, back to China then:

Bad for the VLCC market as well, as US Crude oil export to China was regarded as the saviour.
Oh well, they just have to hope for more oil from AG, especially Iran, flowing to China. Shorter distance, but at least it is something to fill the growing fleet with.

Embargo you say!!! Who’s embargo?


#549

The US is a net oil importer. There is no need for oil exports. Crude oil Exports should not be allowed.

The US will soon be the world’s largest LNG exporter, with or without China.


#550

Here is why US needs to import and export crude oil; NOT ALL REFINERIES ARE THE SAME:

Link: https://powerincooperation.com/Issues.aspx?issue=ImportsandExports

PS> There are a lot of gas available around the world, which can be developed for export as LNG as quick as US can build out their facilities.

PPS> China will find their supply somehow, even if they must pay more for it in the short term, or burn coal in worst case.


#551

largest lng exporter?
I read it might be in 3rd place behind Australia and Qatar by 2020, which is huge really


#552

No problem comrade, I spent most of the last decade running in and out of Umm Qasir, Karachi, and other exciting fine sandbox ports, but thank you very much for your concern.


#553

Well, since you are used to travel to dangerous places like that you should have no problems in London, Paris or Berlin.
Even Chicago, Detroit or Baltimore should feel safe after Umm Qasir and Karachi.

You’ll be happy to know that Karachi has improved a lot though:

China is a safe place to visit for anybody, regardless of race, religion or nationality:


That is if you do not break the laws, or behave stupidly.


#554

But yet:

Very strange…it’s such at great utopia, yet those who are able to do so can’t wait to leave…how can that be?

How can you taut China as the best place on Earth, can do no wrong, etc while knowing that this (as just ONE example) is going on:

Serious question: do you really believe all the pro-China propaganda you spout here or are you trolling? If you’re not trolling, how in the world can you see what they are doing there to their own people and not see it as problematic? How in the world can you believe that they will be benign to other nations once they have the most capable military with how they treat their OWN people??


#555

I quoted a website about the safety for visitors to China. The official US State Department advisory have much the same conclusion for US officials and tourists. (May have changed now, with the latest stunt by your illustrious leader)

The Chinese Authorities are not as sure about the safety for their citizens visiting US:

I have never said that China is some sort of heaven on earth, or a socialist utopia. It is neither heaven, or particularly socialistic. It is a developing country with a fast growing middle class and some Billionaires and Millionaires, as well as some low paid workers and subsistence farmers.

But China is not this awful police state, where every foreigner is watched with argues eyes that is being presented in some of the US media.
That may have been the case back in the days of the Cultural Revolution, but since the opening up in the late 1970’s I have never experienced anything like that anywhere I have been in China.
I have walked around in many different towns and cities in China and the only bad experience I have had was to have my wallet pickpocketed in the bar of a hotel frequented by foreigner oil executives in Tianjin.

I notice in the scmp article you quoted that most of the Chinese moving “overseas” do so to Hong Kong, which is actually part of China. USA is not on the list as most preferred destination:

There are also people moving the other way:
http://www.transitionsabroad.com/listings/living/articles/moving-to-china-to-work-and-live.shtml

This American Millionaire choose Singapore over Hong Kong when he moved his family to Asia, mainly because in Singapore the Chinese language used is Mandarin, while in Hong Kong it is Cantonese:


#556

Thank you for that response. I’m really interested to hear your response to the second half of my post:


#557

I don’t see it as problematic that they bring hundreds of millions of people out of poverty in a relatively short period of time and continue to create a better environment for their citizens.
If you have lived through the famine and deprivations of the past you would worry less about “freedom of speech” than putting rice on the table.

The young generation that did not, nor experienced the excesses of the Cultural Revolution, does not know hardship, but many of them have travelled to western countries and do not see anything they envy.

If you think that blocking access to western social media is a great hardship to the majority of Chinese people, think again. There are more than enough Chinese equivalent to choose from, with less hyped up BS and lies than in the western versions.
Many Chinese are well educated, tech savvy and know their way around the restrictions, if there should be anything they want to learn. Talking to them you’ll find they are well informed of what goes on in the world outside China.

The situation in the country side is still very different from in the major cities of course, with people living a basic life, with little interest in what goes on in other countries, or even the next valley.
The same can be said about many parts of other countries too. (I could think of some, but modesty forbid me to mention specifics)

I don’t know how many here have actually been in China and seen the development there over the last couple of decades, but it could be an eye opener for those who only read and see western media. (Especially the biased ones with an agenda to misinform)


#558

Today we had 5 cruise ships visiting little Aalesund simultaneously:
Ship name: Arrival_ Departure_ From_ To_

KONINGSDAM 18.07.2018 08:00 18.07.2018 17:00 Brønnøy Flåm
MEIN SCHIFF 1 18.07.2018 08:00 18.07.2018 18:00 Bergen Geiranger
Prinsendam 18.07.2018 09:00 18.07.2018 23:00 Amsterdam Longyearbyen
Star Breeze 18.07.2018 13:00 18.07.2018 22:00 Flåm Svolvær
AIDABELLA 18.07.2018 14:00 18.07.2018 19:00 Eidfjord (Hordaland) Hellesylt

A large proportion of the passengers were Chinese.

The fact is that the Chinese has become to biggest source of tourist$$$ in many segments of the tourist industry worldwide, incl. the cruise industry.
They are also the biggest spenders on their travels.

Here is an article about Chinese travel habits from The Telegraph a year ago:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/asia/china/how-chinese-tourists-travel-etiquette-and-money/


#559

Chinese oil refiners are getting ready for the changing market situation for petroleum products when the US market, both for import and export changes due to the ongoing trade war.
This opens new opportunities for local independent refiners who are able to ramp up their processing and supply capacity quickly:


They don’t do things on the small in China. If you want to act quickly you have to use the large world market, not rely upon the small local market.


#560

I expect there will be a bargain hunting package coming out of this, Zhejiang Ouhay is one of the best yards in China and they won’t let that expertise be lost.