Understanding China


#201

Per capita income makes sense, because it is directly related to the well being of every citizen, but what’s the point of calculating per capita military spending? If a missile is coming at you, it doesn’t matter if it is Chinese or Norwegian!


#202

Per capita military spending is a useful tool to shows the relative burden of each citizen, not how much each taxpayer"pay into" the military coffer, since who pay tax varies from country to country.

Norwegian missiles are designed and used only for defencive purposes, so unless you shoot at me no Norwegian missiles will come at you.

PS> Since everybody claim that their military force are for defence only, how can a war start?
If nobody is aggressive, who need defense?


#203

No, nothing change if both sides lie.
USA still spend a lot more on their military than China, or anybody else in the world, whichever way you count,


#204

Where the subs on surface, or did your Drillers have magic abilities?
I have been out in the fields off Southern Vietnam many times over many years, but never saw any Chinese subs, or CG vessels around.

The situations when a rig from Vietnam and another from China were drilling in disputed waters in the north has been well reported, both in the general and industry media:


#205

China is making outrageous overreaching claims to the EEZ waters of several other SE Asian nations. China’s claims are blatantly contrary to international law. The International court has ruled against China. Yet China continues its naked aggression and illegal claims against these nations.

That really tells us all we need to know about China and it’s intentions.


#206

As to China needing a war to divert attention from internal problems;
A little patriotic saber rattling from time to time is enough, as long as the living condition for most people is improving every year.
The majority of Chinese doesn’t look at the ability to call their President an idiot and get away with as freedom. (They have little reason to do so)
Nor do they need Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and Amazon to be happy. They have perfectly good substitute that is of Chinese origin;

I’m afraid that the US may be the one that “need” a war to distract from internal conflicts, political ineptitude and corruption.
How long will the American people tolerate “institutionalized corruption” in politics, stagnant living standard, 3rd world infrastructure and the most expensive health care w/o seeing the best result, to mention but a few of the grievances.

The demonstrations by young people in Washington today should be a wakeup call for the politicians.


#207

Ombugge
You really have difficulties in differentiating between the rhetorical and the literal. I frankly had no idea that Norway had any armed forces.


#208

This is before all that stuff well inside undisputed waters.
yes subs on the surface
Chinese just trouble makers


#209

How come I’m not surprised??


#210

The internal issue is really how fast the changes happen, the working class in the USA have been standing still for 40 years, so not really noticed.
If 900 million chinese go backwards so have missed the boat of the other 200 million, I guess they will notice.
Pushing the migrant workers out of the cities must be the start??


#211

All the oil fields in Vietnam are in undisputed EEZ waters, but far outside territorial waters as well.
Only restriction on lawful passage is the restricted zone declared around the installations and rigs.


#212

Yes the difference between those born in cities and in rural districts are a problem in China, where the Gini coefficient is creeping up as the overall economy is improving. (It now stands at 0.46):

The Gini coefficient in USA is not far from the same (0.48) and increasing as well:

This article in SCMP from Nov. 2017 is quite informative on this problem:

Not sure where you get your 900/200 mill. figures from though, since 57% of the Chinese population is now living in cities. The middle class has passed 430 mill. and expected to grow to 780 mill. by 2025.
According to this article in Foreign Policy from 1.Febr. 2018 there is the problem you pointed out though:


Let’s hope China can solve the problem and not break up into a number of mini-states.


#213

China, by its own admission, needs almost 6%annual growth lest the natives get restless, and that’s not going to change anytime soon. The real question is how China handles itself when it can no longer sustain its domestic economic model. China’s long history is checkered with rebellions and internal conflict of all sorts.


#214

The US subsidized all these countries? How did that happen?
The USA is a democracy and you elect the people that represent you. A more accurate statement would be. We the citizens chose to have our representatives subsidize other countries and standby silently while seeing intellectual property theft by the likes of China. To show our support of these policies in our country we re-elect the majority of our representatives every time election time rolls around. We do this because they say they will do something about abortion and keep out immigrants out because everyone knows if those two problems were solved manufacturing would move back to the USA , the Chinese wouldn’t steal our patents and countries like Apple would move some of their manufacturing and bank assets back to the USA and help get us out of debt by paying taxes and building factories


#215

Politicians of every idiology, brand, and stripe have failed us consistently for 70 years.


#216

Yes, like I said earlier, China need to grow and improve the living condition for their population to avoid social strifes.

How the US elite have managed to keep their people from rioting after many years of stagnated wages and even falling living standard is difficult to comprehend. Propaganda can only do so much.


#217

Why do you keep on voting for the same old same old then??
Congratulation on your Anniversary Day as member on the forum.


#218

I rarely vote for any of bastards more than once.


#219

There’s truth in this Bill Vaughn saying:
A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight for democracy, but won’t cross the street to vote in a national election


#220

Assuming that America actually IS a democracy: