So me thinks we be headed to action in Syria soon

[QUOTE=Lone_Star;118784]Very true, but I would say this was more of a crew change, and the turnover notes were lacking to say the least.
"Congressman Weldon asserted that an Able Danger chart produced in 1999 identifying 9/11 hijackers Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmihad been presented to then-Deputy National Security Advisor Jim Steinberg. On September 15, 2005, Weldon asserted that he had identified an employee who had been ordered to destroy the 2.5 terabytes (TB) of data collected by Able Danger two years before the 9/11 attack. (Countdown to Terror)[/QUOTE]

NO PASS! Cheney was 8 months into his presidency when the August memo circulated and they still had one full month more to do something yet if my memory of those days serves me, the Administration sat on its hands waiting for a shoe to drop. Really out there protecting the country that bunch was! I say Cheney wanted a Pearl Harbor scale event and he got it but yes, that is only my wild speculation yet when you start to put pieces together especially how he used 9/11 to consolidate power into his office and Buffalo the Congress to support all measures or be labelled an enemy of the state! We all were there in those horrible days, but we never saw Cheney once because he was in his “undisclosed location”…oh how very convenient! THE DARK FUCKING LORD DICK HE WAS!

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President Cheney in his “undisclosed location”

Hey, can somebody get me a roll of briefing paper…pleeze?

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[QUOTE=“c.captain;118786”]oh, I would like to think the entire US intelligence community had just a little more than what was in that briefing document…hmmm? The FBI already was on that Saudi asshole taking the flight lessons in Minnesota…could have checked a few other flight schools around the country maybe to see if there were others…perhaps?[/QUOTE]

Yes, the government’s acronym agencies all fucked up because they refused to talk to each other in order to put 2 and 2 together. That can’t be blamed on the administration in power though…

Chemical weapons are, admittedly, horrible. I cannot imagine the terror a person would endure when they begin to affect the body.

However, how do the deaths of 300, 400, or more in this attack make it any worse, from an intervention standpoint, than 125,000+ that have already been killed by conventional means? A human death by war/conflict, particularly a civil war, is tragic but HOW do we justify intervening now after the violence that has come before?

I am usually pretty hawkish on military action to defend US interests or respond to direct attacks but PLEASE, someone explain how Syria, Somalia, the Balkans, or, while I hate admitting it now, Iraq, has furthered our national interest? If we want to stop violence against civilians/overturn corrupt governments/stand up for the oppressed than fine, let’s say that is why we are doing this and let’s not stop until every brush fire regional war is over. I don’t feel we have the national will to twist the arms, crack the knees, or break the skulls to male tat happen tbough. Either we do it everywhere or pull our horns in and let the rest of the world clean shit up.

Whatever we do is wrong; if we go in, it is “Oh, look at the bully Americans doing whatever they want.” If we don’t interven somewhere it is, “Look, yhe Americans don’t care about these people.” Give me a break! We try and that is more than 95% of the world does.

Nothing is ever easy or clear. Read “Dance Witb tbe Devil” by Gen. Romeo Dellaire (sp?), the Canadian officer who was sent to Darfur to “protect” people under UN mandate. He suffered incredible emotional torment when he was basically told to stand down while the locals butchered each other witb machettes. A powerful cautionary tale.

The chemical weapons in Syria came from Iraq. That has to be easy to figure out.

Some very, VERY interesting articles. It certainly throws light on the reality that this is not about the Syrian people, Assad, nerve gas or being humanitarian but on global geopolitics where spheres of interest and influence overlap and conflict. Everybody and their brother has regional interests at stake and nobody is prepared to let someone else become the sole “fixer” if it means their interests get pushed aside. One thing to remember is the location of Syria in all this…it is was just about anywhere else, there would be none of this noise being made. I just want to say that the interests of the US and the allied nations are very valid to protect even at the cost of using some muscle there provided that it be done “smart” and not a knee jerk reaction hence why Obama is going so slow to act. I firmly believe that Russia has a major conflict with the remainder of the world though and Putin being the SOB he is, is stirring the pot constantly and needs to be knocked back down a few rungs. For once, it would be nice if someone other than the US be the face of the western interests in the region and that Saudi Arabia take leadership here which seems to be happening to a certain extent but everybody needs the US military and the US doesn’t put its military forces under the control of anyone but the US so in the end, it is the US vs. Russia…again!

[QUOTE=c.captain;118495]…and wondering what will the maritime implications will be? I don’t see a big surge sealift beyond breaking out the LMSRs when it becomes necessary for the US to insert troops… that is unless the Russians also intervene on the side of Assad! Then it may become a far bigger show than any of us would want, but it would be great for jobs! Maybe air alone will be enough?[/QUOTE]

Me thinks it would just be cheaper for the maritime academies to be properly funded and to destroy the over-lawyered(regulations/taxes) aspects of the Jones Act…

Government spending does not grow the economy; it only takes from it.

The British parliament voted down military action against Syria, mean while our Congress is finishing their MUCH deserved summer vacation. Our government needs to take care of our business first.

Yea, I’m glad the UK told our boy king to piss off. This idiot of ours is displaying once more he’s in over his head and has no idea what he’s doing.

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If memory serves me correctly, Reagan was president when that happened. Wasn’t he a Republican?[/QUOTE]

Sure was but he did something about it, as soon as they had the proof they needed it was tomahawks into Gadaffi’s house
That worked and Gadaffi kept his head down for quite a while as he knew he was lucky to be alive.

[QUOTE=powerabout;118962]Sure was but he did something about it, as soon as they had the proof they needed it was tomahawks into Gadaffi’s house
That worked and Gadaffi kept his head down for quite a while as he knew he was lucky to be alive.[/QUOTE]

I don’t believe that Libya was behind the Marine Barracks bombing but the downing of PanAm 109, the German nightclub bombing, and another highjacking where a guy was shot and his body dumped out of the door onto the tarmac but I forget exactly that one. No question he had is coming last year and I am thoroughly glad that Obama took military action there! Tinpot dictators who hate the US all need to have their heads handed to them. The problem is always tinpot dictators who love the US and our money!

Anyway, I put Assad in the same boat as the clown Quadaffi and a few Tomahawks into his bedroom wouldn’t be such a terrible thing but I seem to be pretty lonely here on that one. Looks like any action we take now will be pretty puny now that the UK wimped out. Unless or course, if Assad or Hezzbola decide to up the ante and really start getting nasty and take this into Lebanon and launch waves of rockets against Israel. Then the man in the Whitehouse you all despise will be forced to take real action and nobody then should whine and wail about it. Then it will be the REAL DEAL and FULLY JUSTIFIED!

I just don’t want to see Obama go down the same road W. did in Iraq. Go it alone don’t wait for U.N. inspectors , your only with us or against us B.S. that cost us world respect. That might also answer why the British decided to sit this one out.

So C.Capt, if you still think its a good idea to get involved, take heed to this quote from a buddy of mine that is retired from the USMC (now private security)

"Many of you know that I served in Iraq twice and am about to be deployed to Afghanistan soon.

If we go to war with Syria I will never have faith in any politician or our government again. While in Iraq we as American service members had engagements with Syrian freedom fighters the exact same freedom fighters that Obama wants to support in Syria right now. We as Americans will be helping former, current and future Al Qaida fighters that I personally fought in Iraq.

I want all you on my Facebook to let that sink in because I do not support this possible war."

The service members know whats up, and our cmc is absolutely unfit for duty.

Here are some photos of others that are spreading fast throughout the web.


[QUOTE=Lone_Star;119247]So C.Capt, if you still think its a good idea to get involved, take heed to this quote from a buddy of mine that is retired from the USMC (now private security)

"Many of you know that I served in Iraq twice and am about to be deployed to Afghanistan soon.

If we go to war with Syria I will never have faith in any politician or our government again. While in Iraq we as American service members had engagements with Syrian freedom fighters the exact same freedom fighters that Obama wants to support in Syria right now. We as Americans will be helping former, current and future Al Qaida fighters that I personally fought in Iraq.

I want all you on my Facebook to let that sink in because I do not support this possible war."

The service members know whats up, and our cmc is absolutely unfit for duty.

Here are some photos of others that are spreading fast throughout the web.[/QUOTE]

Well men with real courage of their convictions would have not hidden their faces but I hide behind my anonymity here to have my right at free speech not impinged so I can’t talk…yet?

Now as far as fighting FOR Al Qaeda now, I think we need to get in to keep Al Qaeda from gaining power in Syria once Assad is gone. As Lindsey Graham said yesterday, two years ago there was no Al Qaeda in Syria and now there is and getting stronger every day. Too late to prop us Assad (but he is only friendly to Russia and China) and now the Free Syrian Army is getting outgunned by the rival pro Islamic factions which are aligned against the US and Israel so we are seeing the groundwork being laid for the next battleground in the Mid East like it or not. A very strong unstable pro Iran Syria will become one extremely dangerous element in that part of the world with the potential to become a HUGE conflict that none of us will be able to ignore. No matter what you believe, an unstable heavily armed Middle East is where the next Armageddon will happen unless we don’t bury our heads in the sand and work and fight to prevent that from happening NOW! It will ultimtely become a war of necessity there so better get in now when it is small and get a western friendly government we can work with as opposed to one which will become a huge threat to terror and strikes against Israel. This is rapidly becoming a proxy fire and I say put it out when it is still small!

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In this case, I am 100% behind John McCain and Lindsey Graham who are both REPUBLICANS! But FUCK IT…I won’t change any Obama haters here so be it…you have your opinions and I have mine. Just know that all you say about Obama being an incompetent Commander in Chief is groundless and only based on your personal hatred for the man. No President acts in a vacuum…they act with the assistance of a huge team of both civilian and military personnel who are career professionals. If you think the JCS is also incompetent then so be it but there are no Presidents that I know of (including Obama) who DO NOT make their decisions without JCS advice and taking action in contradiction of their advice is done purely at their own peril!

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Well men with real courage of their convictions would have not hidden their faces but I hide behind my anonymity here to have my right at free speech not impinged so I can’t talk…yet?

So you can do it, but not them? I don’t quite understand. I’m sure reveling yourself as a service member under the UCMJ would have much harsher consequences then reveling yourself on a web forum.

Too late to prop us Assad (but he is only friendly to Russia and China) and now the Free Syrian Army is getting outgunned by the rival pro Islamic factions which are aligned against the US and Israel so we are seeing the groundwork being laid for the next battleground in the Mid East like it or not.

It is not too late to prop up Assad, as stated by our politicians, Assad still has the upper hand, and they want to support the rebels for that reason. I would not say supporting Assad is the right idea though. Who knows, maybe supporting an actual Government would be the best, as they are more controllable through government policies and political power. The terrorist factions however would be much harder to control, and are more of threat to the world then Assad.

I think we need to get in to keep Al Qaeda from gaining power in Syria once Assad is gone. As Lindsey Graham said yesterday, two years ago there was no Al Qaeda in Syria and now there is and getting stronger every day.

I see what your saying; sending boots on the ground to put someone other then those two groups into power. But what do we want, another Iraq or Afghanistan? Our administration however is not saying that, and if they get there way with congress, bombs are going to be flying in support of Al Qaeda.

I would highly caution watching the following videos, but they show the honest truth at just how brutal these rebels are, and the senseless brutal killing going on. There are tons of these videos posted. I won’t even give the direct link, but at http://www.military.com/ under their video section shows first hand what is going on with a simple “Syrian rebels” search.

Another interesting video shows rebels firing a spigot mortar with what looks like a Chemical warhead, but who knows. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=89d_1377366018&comments=1

I’m going to go with Rand Paul on this, not McCain or Graham.

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I grow weary of the mouth of Rand Paul as much as I grow weary of this whole thread. Never meant to be a debate on the subject of whether firing missiles against Assad was supporting Al Qaeda and I am not going to wade into that proposition. I just know Assad is no longer a legitimate head of government in Syria and must go for any form of stability to take shape in the region.

In any event, the horrible evil inept Kenyan born commie socialist President Obama seems to be gaining the support of the Congress to launch missiles against Assad…albeit slowly, but nobody said this all has to happen tomorrow. Time will tell but in the meantime I will wait for the outcome of the debate. If Obama loses the vote of the Congress then the deal is off and my position goes down the old crapper but if the Congress says OK, then I’ll see you all back here then…

Interesting how the liberal mindset bends facts, history, and reality to best suit the present hypocritical view. ( As we’ve also seen from Kerry, Pelosi and Obama for the past few weeks. ). But I’m not going to get into a pissing contest here, no need as I won’t change any Obama worshiper’s views and mine are rock solid as well. So be it.

A few observations: If we back the " rebels " we are backing Al Qaeda - so to me that’s out. ( and I would not blame any and all military that opted out).
If we back Assad we back a dictator… Not a good choice either. Better then to sit this out and let them sort out their own issues.
We don’t really know what’s going on over there. I heard one good plot that outlined Al Qaeda did the gassing. Why? In order to play us like a puppet and take out Assad. Do we really think Easter island head Kerry is smart enough to not be played?
Obama cares about the dead? Really? Why then did he not give a rats ass about our own dead when our embassy got over taken and our ambassador raped and drug through the streets. So, him being all concerned about civilian deaths is a joke. Nope, just another means for him to back the Muslim brotherhood like he did in Egypt.
All in my humble view of course.

Everybody is so completely blind here as to why the US has to take action in Syria…IT IS BECAUSE ISRAEL CAN’T! No nation in the world has Israel’s back like the US. If Joe Lieberman was in the Senate still today he’d literally would be foaming at the mouth on every cable news network every minute! Instead, now John McCain has Lindsey Graham as Lieberman’s stand in surrogate and thank FUCKING God because I always thought Lieberman was a slimy snake!

Israel cannot have an Al Qaeda/Iranian supported led nation on its doorstep! The US has to take action in Syria to protect Israel! We have to ensure that a US/Israeli friendly government eventually takes control of Syria otherwise it will be a bloodbath over there and the US will be in it up to its neck. All the nations that so far have had relatively peaceful revolutions will erupt especially Egypt. Saudi Arabia could detonate with internal conflict! The world economy will skid to a crashing stop, oil will skyrocket beyond levels we can hardly imagine, missiles will fly (but hopefully without nukes aboard). Russia and China will just sit back and watch and laugh and prepare to clean up the mess when everybody kills each other over there. You think things were bad in the 2000’s…2014-2020 might make it look like a kid’s 5th birthday party when it’s all over!

Believe me that THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE USE OF NERVE GAS! That is only the excuse. Open your eyes people and don’t say “let Israel do its own dirty work”. Let Israel loose over there and it will be Armageddon …NUKES MOST CERTAINLY WOULD FLY THEN!

I watched Meet the Press on Sunday, usually my wife does not allow me to watch it as I have almost Thrown something at the TV several times.

Anyway, The V.P. was on and he started out saying that any action was not about a change in Leadership, but during the rest of the interview he said more than once the Assad MUST GO.

So what is the real reason??? None of us will ever know. I only hope that if he decides to bomb them it stops there as I fear that Russia is going to jump in and then all Hell is going to break loose!

[QUOTE=Tugs;119324]So what is the real reason??? None of us will ever know.[/QUOTE]

Of course we know…I just explained it. The US supports Israel NO MATTER WHAT! Not one of the G8 other than US…not the UK, France, Russia, Canada, Japan, Italy, certainly not Germany. China, Brazil, India don’t give a rip either! There is only one nation on the planet that is Israel’s “go to” and that is US. We simply have to for everybody’s sake and that is what the Congress is hearing right now behind closed doors but they knew it already anyway because Israel and APAC run Washington as much as huge corporations. This has absolutely nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans either…it wouldn’t matter one wit which party was in the Whitehouse…we’d be doing the exact same thing at the moment that we are. Even Saudi Arabia is supporting that we launch against Assad for the very reason that they are in the overflight of the missiles that would be launched between Iran and Israel!

Any military response now will be too little, too late. Our president and congress should have had this all worked out when he made the red line comment. All the sarin weapons have probably been moved to locations where there will be collateral damage and civilian casualties.

We left Libya worse off than it was before Qaddafi was ousted. Why do the same thing and expect different results?