Short sea shipping in the US?


#81

Two-way trade with Cuba has commences: http://gcaptain.com/first-cuban-import-in-five-decades-arrives-in-united-states-aboard-crowley-cargo-ship/
Although only two containers from Cuba it is a beginning. (The trade has been one-way only, so far)

Many see opportunities here, especially with the new Container hub at Mariel able to handle the new Megaships becoming fully operational: http://www.joc.com/port-news/international-ports/cuba-port-plans-be-transshipment-hub-after-us-lifts-embargo_20160518.html

Does this open opportunities for US-flag Short sea shipping?? (Say Mariel - St.Louis direct w/o transhipment)


#82

Then again, maybe not: http://gcaptain.com/florida-governor-threatens-to-cut-funding-for-ports-doing-business-with-cuba/


#83

If there were going to be a short sea container shuttle Cuba to US trade, it would be foreign built and foreign flag. I cannot picture that operating economically on the Mississippi River system above Baton Rouge.

I can see opportunity for a US operated, probably US flag, self-unloading tug and barge service ( similar to Northland Services) between the US and Cuba, especially between non-union barge docks in the US and very small Cuban ports.


#84

[QUOTE=tugsailor;194725]If there were going to be a short sea container shuttle Cuba to US trade, it would be foreign built and foreign flag. I cannot picture that operating economically on the Mississippi River system above Baton Rouge.

I can see opportunity for a US operated, probably US flag, self-unloading tug and barge service ( similar to Northland Services) between the US and Cuba, especially between non-union barge docks in the US and very small Cuban ports.[/QUOTE]

Could a vessel of this size navigate the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers?: http://www.nwship.com/en/press-centre/news-nwsc/2013/1808

Are river ports along these river systems able to handle this size of vessel and if so, are they unionized?

BTW: An American version would probably be separated into tug and barge (ATB) and designed with height, beam, length and draft limitations applicable on designated US inland waterways.
Maybe with the Pilothouse able to be lowered and raised hydraulically to pass low bridges, yet able to meet free sight requirements when navigating in open waters.


#85

Oy vey. That container could land at probably half a dozen gulf coast ports, get on a truck and be in St. Louis quicker and cheaper. I too would like to see a new industry segment take off and bring jobs throughout the whole maritime sector but just wishing it so by showing pictures of ships ignores the fact that a rational economic model must exist to pay for it and make money. Things that effect the model are port costs, energy policy, etc but no one is going to start this on a 100% altruistic basis. Better you should compare the operating environment of where this segment thrives to US than continue to just say river-cargo-short sea should work.


#86

[QUOTE=ombugge;194685]Two-way trade with Cuba has commences: http://gcaptain.com/first-cuban-import-in-five-decades-arrives-in-united-states-aboard-crowley-cargo-ship/
Although only two containers from Cuba it is a beginning. (The trade has been one-way only, so far)

Many see opportunities here, especially with the new Container hub at Mariel able to handle the new Megaships becoming fully operational: http://www.joc.com/port-news/international-ports/cuba-port-plans-be-transshipment-hub-after-us-lifts-embargo_20160518.html

Does this open opportunities for US-flag Short sea shipping?? (Say Mariel - St.Louis direct w/o transhipment)[/QUOTE]

No.

And anyone hoping for US fag jobs out of this needs to get their head examined.

Take a drive along the Miami River and see the floating Belize flagged junk heaps ready and capable to serve the US-Cuba trade.

Of course the esteemed Gov. Rick Scott ® is working diligently to ensure no Cuba trade can arise in Florida, so as to inject the maximum right wing political influence into the process…

After all, it is “the free market rules”, until it negatively affects GOP votes, in which case a market stabilizing force is immediately required.


#87

[QUOTE=+A465B;194742]No.

And anyone hoping for US fag jobs out of this needs to get their head examined.

Take a drive along the Miami River and see the floating Belize flagged junk heaps ready and capable to serve the US-Cuba trade. [/quote]

Yes I see what you mean. Lot of old obsolete small ships here: https://tugster.wordpress.com/2015/03/18/other-watersheds-15/
None of these appears to be much of a competition for a modern river/short sea container feeder purpose built for US trade.

Of course the esteemed Gov. Rick Scott ® is working diligently to ensure no Cuba trade can arise in Florida, so as to inject the maximum right wing political influence into the process…

After all, it is “the free market rules”, until it negatively affects GOP votes, in which case a market stabilizing force is immediately required.

Therein lays the problem. Politic that is not tailor to the need of the nation and unwillingness to change.

PS> I see a lot of obscure ports of registry, like; Zanzibar, LaPaz, Basseterre etc. Panama and Belize have got competition.


#88

[QUOTE=ombugge;194743]Yes I see what you mean. Lot of old obsolete small ships here: https://tugster.wordpress.com/2015/03/18/other-watersheds-15/
None of these appears to be much of a competition for a modern river/short sea container feeder purpose built for US trade.

Therein lays the problem. Politic that is not tailor to the need of the nation and unwillingness to change.

PS> I see a lot of obscure ports of registry, like; Zanzibar, LaPaz, Basseterre etc. Panama and Belize have got competition.[/QUOTE]

Buggy,

When are you going to get that there is no profitable coastwise container trade in the US because the land side transport network is cheaper and faster? Like Duh.

Now knock off the BS.

The Cuba box trade, if Trump don’t screw it up, will be serviced by foreign flag box boats via the terminal in Freeport, especially since Gub’ner Scott ain’t having no Florida based trade with them there pinko commies down Cuba way. All the rest will go by those junk heaps, along with the usual cargo of $5 bicycles and Chlorox bottles.


#89

[QUOTE=+A465B;194742]

Of course the esteemed Gov. Rick Scott ® is working diligently to ensure no Cuba trade can arise in Florida, so as to inject the maximum right wing political influence into the process…

After all, it is “the free market rules”, until it negatively affects GOP votes, in which case a market stabilizing force is immediately required.[/QUOTE]

Yes, the ignorant fascist dickhead will pander to the Cuban “refugees” who shovel cash into his bank accounts no matter how absurd their demands.

I wish the federal government would stop all funding of federal projects and subsidies related to port operations or projects in all of Florida in response to Scott’s idiotic gift to his campaign contributors.


#90

As opposed to the last 8 years of pandering to the rich of Hollywood?


#91

[QUOTE=Bayrunner;194775]As opposed to the last 8 years of pandering to the rich of Hollywood?[/QUOTE]

Same tune, different lyrics. A pox on all their houses. Now we have Nero fiddling.


#92

[QUOTE=Bayrunner;194775]As opposed to the last 8 years of pandering to the rich of Hollywood?[/QUOTE]

As opposed to pandering to Oil and Mining Companies???: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/exxon-mobil-tillerson-state-corruption-russia-sec/515244/


#93

Not limited to USA, but involving North American trade as well as other world markets: http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=25274:algoma-and-nova-plan-short-sea-bulk-partnership&Itemid=230


#94

[QUOTE=ombugge;194833]As opposed to pandering to Oil and Mining Companies???: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/exxon-mobil-tillerson-state-corruption-russia-sec/515244/[/QUOTE]

I believe our new administration will explore new depths of corruption and add more (but hardly new) chapters to the history of fascism and corporate ownership of government.


#95
Go peddle crap that elsewhere.

#96

What exactly is it in Steamer’s post that you find so offensive and damaging to your psyche that you feel it must be silenced?


#97

Crowley is modernizing their facilities in Puerto Rico to improve their short sea service to that US territory: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/03/prweb14106892.htm

Surprised that these cranes made in Ireland, not China, like nearly all such deliveries anywhere in the world.

PS> Watch the loading operation in Cork, Ireland: http://afloat.ie/port-news/cork-harbour-news/item/35104-cranes-loaded-on-board-albatross-ship-ready-for-departure-from-cork-harbour-this-week


#98

[QUOTE=Gimli;195816]What exactly is it in Steamer’s post that you find so offensive and damaging to your psyche that you feel it must be silenced?[/QUOTE]

I believe that my post probably frightened him. History provides us with a window into the future and what we are seeing now has been seen before. It should frighten people, but those who want to silence any discussion are the most frightened of all.


#99

Why would you think your post scares me? It’s not like the same crybaby lines have posted by liberals all over the internet. If you want to see fascism look no farther than UC Berkley where the ironically named Antifa group is beating anyone who speaks up against the left.


#100

What makes you think that everybody who finds our new administration detestable (at best) is a “liberal”?