Russian election hacking


#21

I wonder if 25 years ago when the internet was made public, anyone foresaw that it would fundamentally alter interpersonal relationships and spell the death of truth and journalism.


#22

[QUOTE=Lee Shore;193316]I wonder if 25 years ago when the internet was made public, anyone foresaw that it would fundamentally alter interpersonal relationships and spell the death of truth and journalism.[/QUOTE]

Well, Truth and journalism have not always meant the same thing. . .I found these gems as stated by Thomas Jefferson in 1807. . .

[I]"In 1807 statesman Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter complaining about the misinformation in newspapers:

Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day
Jefferson provocatively suggested the advantages of not reading the newspaper:

I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false."[/I]


#23

[QUOTE=cmakin;193372]Well, Truth and journalism have not always meant the same thing. . .[/QUOTE]

Oh yes, and we have seen that up close and personal right here in the ferry rammed by yacht thread.


#24

Nothing new under the sun: http://fpif.org/foreign-meddling-vote-remember-feels/
What is new may be the ease by which it is possible to spread false news these days.


#25

Truth and journalism hit the skids as soon as the printing press was invented, the Internet only made it more accessible and convenient. Media has been an instrument of the state, and its adversaries since the dawn of time.

Remember the Maine? Our newspapers were widely credited with galvanizing the American spirit to enter the Spanish American war.


#26

[QUOTE=lm1883;193378]Truth and journalism hit the skids as soon as the printing press was invented, the Internet only made it more accessible and convenient. Media has been an instrument of the state, and its adversaries since the dawn of time.

Remember the Maine? Our newspapers were widely credited with galvanizing the American spirit to enter the Spanish American war.[/QUOTE]

All true, and more recently the USS Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin to justify the Vietnam fiasco. State sponsored propaganda is old hat but the total collapse of journalism as an honest occupation is recent and in keeping with the popularity of the internet.
It may not be possible to completely eliminate bias in the writing of an article due to the foibles of human nature but in the past, blatantly biased writing was referred to as yellow journalism and confined to the tabloids.
Yellow journalism is now the new normal and the quality of writing has deteriorated to the point where the average article is riddled with innuendo, inaccuracies and outright lies, not to mention poor grammar and incoherent sentences.


#27

The role of internet as a media to spread false news and hatred is not an American phenomena, it is unfortunatly worldwide, as can be seen from this Jakarta Post article today: http://www.thejakartapost.com/academia/2016/12/16/role-of-internet-in-a-society-full-of-hatred.html


#28

I think its also a issue of governments did all sorts of skull duggery in the background years ago ( still do) but now they get caught and one person finding out can inform the whole world.
China Russia and Iran still have to convince their people communism is better than the Western system so they stick needles in wherever they can, far more news to come out about those govs in the last 50 years and what wars they invented or caused or they funded so they continued.


#29

Communism is dead in both Russia and China and have never existed in Iran.


#30

Now it’s “globalizm” … all ready in a country dear to you!!


#31

communist state that allows capitalism once they decided to modernise.
total control, one party state, control over religion, owns all the land, all power in 3 institutions with no separation of power of these.
Reality, constitution says freedom of religion, just try that ( tibet). Ownership of property will be respected, how to you get ownership?
Can you describe for the readers what a communist county is?


#32


slightly different than never and deposed in the revolution so its still there somewhere.


#33

Oh yes there was a Communist Party in Iran during the time of the American imposed rule of the Shah, the remnants of which is now on the same side as the present US administration (I.e. against the Islamic Republic of Iran)

BTW; There are still a Communist Party USA:


Does that make USA a Communist country??


#34

China: One party system that is able to govern and improve the lot of it’s people. (Not only the rich)

USA: Two party system that is unable to govern because of bipartisanship and stupid squabbling.
Standard for living declining for a majority of it’s people, but improving greatly for the rich.


#35

Yes, it is every country, except maybe North Korea.
It is actually an American idea from the time when it benefitted America more than anybody else by opening markets for American dominance, goods and services:
https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/globalization-made-usa-66386/

Somehow somebody have managed to convince a portion of the American public that it is bad for America and a threat to American dominance in the world. They are wrong on the first part, but probably right on the second, which is good for most of the world:


#36

Never has been a “communist” government as defined by the economist Marx. A college professor of mine was asked about this many years ago and his reply was, “Marx said that communism was the last stage of an economic order after late stage capitalism caused revolution and socialism failed. So far no such government has ever been established if you go by Marx’s definition of the idea " from each according to their means to each according their needs” and by that definition most native American societies and other so call less developed cultures fit the bill for communist. Communism is not a form of government but rather the end stage of an economic idea which has yet to come to any wholesale fruition in practice in any organized country that I know of.


#37

a near quote: “even the lowliest Shepard on the Russian steppe is a capitalist at heart” !! There isn’t much difference between what the ‘new world order’ has in the offing and what’s going on in a lot of the world.
Pat Buchanan asks what would be different today had Germany won the war, in this he is probably asking about results/differences in form of governing.


#38

I experienced it in Papua New Guinea back in the late 1960’s to early 1970’s, where the concept of ownership was non-existent in some tribes and on some of the outlying islands.
The payment for services were in salt, trading tobacco, or parangs for major items, which was shared among the “onetokes”.

We had one item that was in high demand though; the Norwegian paper “Nytt fra Norge”, which was distributed by airmail and thus printed on very thin paper. Very good for rolling cigarettes from the trading tobacco.

The exception was pigs, which functioned as a means of payment in the area around Samarai and the Trobriand Islands.

Unfortunately modern times and TV has spoiled that. Last time I visited (2013) the “Rascals” was so dominant in Port Moresby that it was necessary to have a local security guard with me, even in broad daylight.

Mao said; “it will take 20 generations to reach true Communism and each generation would have to have their revolution”.