"Reinstate" an expired USCG license?


#1

Here’s my situation:

I held a 3rd Mate Unlimited Oceans and Master 100 ton Oceans license that expired too long ago to renew (my fault, I stopped sailing and didn’t keep track of the expiration dates). I’d like to get at least a 25 ton Near Coastal (or greater tonnage if possible). I have more than the required 90 days recency but on a 16 ton auxiliary sailing vessel.

I’ve called NMC three times and have gotten 3 different answers. The first said I needed to “start all over” and submit a new license application. The second said she wasn’t sure and to submit an application and they would sort it out. And the third said that I needed to request to have my 100 ton license “reinstated”.

I have a TWIC card, and plan on getting my physical, first aid, CPR and drug screening program sorted before submitting my application. I also requested (and received) a copy of what NMC has on record for my sea-time and licenses.

My questions are:

  1. Who at NMC was right? Has anyone ever heard of “reinstating” a license before?
  2. Can I take a local OUPV/100 ton master’s course locally in lieu of driving 12 hours to the nearest REC to take the test?
  3. Will I be able to “reinstate” my 100 ton license except limited to Near Coastal if I take that course?

Thanks!


#2

[quote=“prof_mariner, post:1, topic:45425, full:true”]
Here’s my situation:

I held a 3rd Mate Unlimited Oceans and Master 100 ton Oceans license that expired too long ago to renew (my fault, I stopped sailing and didn’t keep track of the expiration dates). I’d like to get at least a 25 ton Near Coastal (or greater tonnage if possible). I have more than the required 90 days recency but on a 16 ton auxiliary sailing vessel.

I’ve called NMC three times and have gotten 3 different answers. The first said I needed to “start all over” and submit a new license application. The second said she wasn’t sure and to submit an application and they would sort it out. And the third said that I needed to request to have my 100 ton license “reinstated”.[/quote]

They are all right (sort of) since you have asked more than one question and the answers for each are different.

To “reinstate” a license that’s been expired for more than a year, see 46 CFR 10…227 . You’ll have to re-take the full exam for the endorsement(s).

If you want anything other than what you had, you will need to apply for it as an original. You can use the sea time to get your old licenses, subject to recency requirements. But since Master 25 is a sub-set of Master 100, it would be easier to just re-instate the Master 100 endorsement.

You can take a Coast Guard approved course to substitute fort the Master 100 exam. I suggest applying first and not committing to a course until NMC approves you to test fro the endorsement.


#3

Thanks Jim. I was hoping you’d be the one to answer. :slight_smile:


#4

Did you actually have a Master 100 ton or was it the CFR clause that a 3M can serve as master on vessels less than 100 tons?


#5

I had two licenses, a third mate unlimited oceans and a master NMT 100 ton upon oceans.


#6

Interesting that you had a 100 ton Ocean license. I’ve looked at the national licensing structure, and didn’t see that there was an option for 100 GRT Ocean. Just Near Coastal. But I suspect that your license might predate the differentiating between national and STCW. Has anyone ever tried to change a 100 GRT NC to Ocean with success?


#7

Hi jdcavo, appreciate your helpful responses.
In following your link to 46 CFR 10 I see the below:

(i) Re-issuance of expired credentials. (1) If an applicant applies for re-issuance of an endorsement as deck officer, engineer officer, or qualified rating more than 12 months after its expiration, instead of the requirements of paragraph (e) of this section, the applicant must demonstrate continued professional knowledge by completing a course approved for this purpose, or by passing the complete examination for original issue of the endorsement. The examination may be oral-assisted if the expired credential was awarded based on the results of an oral exam. The fees set forth in §10.219 of this part apply to these examinations. In the case of an expired radio officer’s endorsement, the endorsement may be issued upon presentation of a valid first- or second-class radiotelegraph operator license issued by the Federal Communications Commission.

In the case of someone seeking to renew a 3rd mate unlimited which has passed the 1 year grace period, are you aware of any “course approved for this purpose” as per the CFR, or is “passing the complete examination for original issue of the endorsement” the only option on the market currently for this?


#8

There are no courses, I am sure because the demand for them is extremely small, So unfortunately, the taking the original exam is the only available option. The language on exams was inserted because there are courses for original 100 and 200 ton licenses.