Puerto Rico - Statehood and attack on the Jones Act


#201

[QUOTE=lm1883;173101]Actually the Vikings landed in modern day Canada not the USA, but they did not discover America, the indigenous population did.[/QUOTE]

Canada is part of North America, then you got your South America and Central America. I figure the Vikings stopped exploring south of present Canada when it got too damn hot and the black flies drove them away. Perfectly understandable.


#202

[QUOTE=tengineer1;173144]Canada is part of North America, then you got your South America and Central America. I figure the Vikings stopped exploring south of present Canada when it got too damn hot and the black flies drove them away. Perfectly understandable.[/QUOTE]

I believe they got as far as around today’s New York area, which they call “Vinland” (Wine country). Unless the French had been there first, I assume that refer to where grapes were growing. (They knew all about wine, they had conquered Normandy and Sicily, remember)


#203

[QUOTE=lm1883;173101]Actually the Vikings landed in modern day Canada not the USA, but they did not discover America, the indigenous population did.[/QUOTE]

There were no Canada and no USA at the time, only that great land to the west were they could get timber for their settlement in Greenland and on Island.

Damn, you caught me out. Although I did not say they “discovered” America, I made the mistake to say that they were there first.
This has always been my argument when the question of who “discovered” America has come up, that there were people there before.
The vikings call them “skraeling”, which is not easily translatable. Here is an explanation for those who are interested: http://archaeology.about.com/od/skthroughsp/qt/skraelings.htm


#204

Half this thread belongs in the Scuttlebutt forum by now. How 'bout that El Faro and the Jones Act? Any Puerto Ricans here to relate what the local coverage of the issue looks like?


#205

[QUOTE=Kraken;173088]I would think many Americans regret the war against Spain in 1898. It made you a lot of trouble over the years. But have you learned?

Puerto Rico will probably be an expenditure for you in perpetuity.[/QUOTE]

Most Americans alive today have never head about the Spanish American War in 1898. Of those that have heard about that war, few know more about it than that it was started by the sinking of the Battleship Maine in Havana Harbor, and that Teddy Roosevelt led the charge of the Rough Riders up San Juan Hill on the way to victory. Not more than 1 percent of the US population would understand the point you are making.

Puerto Rico’s problems are a product of: American liberal white guilt, excessive welfare programs which discourage gainful employment and encourage laying about, and having more children than they can support. There is massive corruption that supports a large bureaucratic elite administering innumerable US do-good spending programs.

It would be fair to say that Puerto Rico is not much different than the ghettos in many American cities. You are right, we will be paying for both in perpetuity. However, the war in 1898 has little to with it.


#206

[QUOTE=tugsailor;173167]It would be fair to say that Puerto Rico is not much different than the ghettos in many American cities. You are right, we will be paying for both in perpetuity. However, the war in 1898 has little to with it.[/QUOTE]

The War was a consequence of the Monroe Doctrine and gave US areas the country was not ready to handle. Puerto Rico is a colony, only problem is that USA does not know how to handle a colony. If you are not making money on a colony what’s the point of having it? I will say that the best action for US is to give Puerto Rico Independence.


#207

[QUOTE=Kraken;173171]The War was a consequence of the Monroe Doctrine and gave US areas the country was not ready to handle. Puerto Rico is a colony, only problem is that USA does not know how to handle a colony. If you are not making money on a colony what’s the point of having it? I will say that the best action for US is to give Puerto Rico Independence.[/QUOTE]

Over the past 40 years, Puerto Rico has had several referendums to decide whether they should: seek statehood, become independent, or remain a territory. They have voted every time to remain a territory. They want to retain the option to seek independence someday in the future, but for now they want to remain American citizens, and continue to receive the benefits of American government programs.

Right now, Congress is considering whether to change the law so that Puerto Rico can file for bankruptcy and cram down its debt. I expect that will eventually happen.


#208

Nice to see that it is possible to trade posts and opinions, even with foreigners, without resorting to insults and question the right of a foreigner to have and opinion about, or even know anything about America and things American. VERY CIVILIZED!!
I hope it can be kept up throughout the forum.


#209

[QUOTE=ombugge;173192]VERY CIVILIZED!!
I hope it can be kept up throughout the forum.[/QUOTE]

NYAH! Says you and WHAT army? Singapore’s? Norway’s? BAH!


#210

[QUOTE=c.captain;173193]NYAH! Says you and WHAT army? Singapore’s? Norway’s? BAH![/QUOTE]

The Army of the civilized world, that’s who.

[U]Please note:[/U] I did NOT include YOU there SIR. I know you are enjoying your notoriety as the big bad wolf on this forum and enjoy scaring the living dog shit out of everyone. You have done that for years, apparently.

Seriously, well written banter is NOT what I meant, but ill-informed negative comments belittling and insulting people, without the slightest knowledge of who or what they are.

That is, unfortunately, the stuff and apparent purpose of much of the internet forums, but professional Mariners should be able to hold themselves above that.


#211

Last Referendum in 2012 54% of the people voted for a change and 61.16% of the people voted for Statehood.


#212

[QUOTE=PR-9;173197]Last Referendum in 2012 54% of the people voted for a change and 61.16% of the people voted for Statehood.[/QUOTE]

I stand corrected. If they want statehood, we should give it to them. Right after we allow them to go bankrupt. After all, they are American citizens. Any change we make with regard to the administration of Puerto Rico would probably be an improvement.


#213

[QUOTE=tengineer1;173041]800bn in the Norwegian Oil Fund. The USA’s Oil Fund is??? Anyway, I am sure it is more than a mere 800bn[/QUOTE]

I must have missed this one somehow, but it cannot be left unanswered.
Yes, I believe you are right. Mighty US must have a better result from their much large oil&Gas industry than little Norway.

Last I checked it stood at -20.6 Tn. USD and “growing”: http://www.theusdebtclock.com/


#214

[QUOTE=ombugge;173565]I must have missed this one somehow, but it cannot be left unanswered.
Yes, I believe you are right. Mighty US must have a better result from their much large oil&Gas industry than little Norway.

Last I checked it stood at -20.6 Tn. USD and “growing”: http://www.theusdebtclock.com/[/QUOTE]

In the immortal words of Officer Gunther Toody,

[I]DO YOU MIND??[/I]

Do I need to make a new thread so that all this cornflake-pissing is on-topic somewhere?


#215

I wouldn’t bother. Puerto Rico will never get an exemption from the Act. The direction of this thread is as ludicrous as its premise.


#216

[QUOTE=Glaug-Eldare;173570]Do I need to make a new thread so that all this cornflake-pissing is on-topic somewhere?[/QUOTE]

please do but I don’t think it will do anything to change the contributions of a certain newcomer to the forum who’s username implies he is part “BUG”


#217

[QUOTE=c.captain;173582]please do but I don’t think it will do anything to change the contributions of a certain newcomer to the forum who’s username implies he is part “BUG”[/QUOTE]

You mean to tell me that spraying Shell-tox on the computer didn’t do the job?

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[QUOTE=Glaug-Eldare;173570]In the immortal words of Officer Gunther Toody,

[I]DO YOU MIND??[/I]

Do I need to make a new thread so that all this cornflake-pissing is on-topic somewhere?[/QUOTE]

No I DO NOT MIND!!!
Facts are hard to take, is it??


#218

What’s hard to take is that this all has nothing to do with Puerto Rico. If you have new opinions you want to talk about make a new thread about them. That’s how forums work. It’s not supposed to be a rambling conversation every topic that is brushed upon.


#219

[QUOTE=ombugge;173585]You mean to tell me that spraying Shell-tox on the computer didn’t do the job?- - - Updated - - -No I DO NOT MIND!!! Facts are hard to take, is it??[/QUOTE]I’m not really bothered by the points you’re all raising, but they’re in the wrong venue. I would not bend a supermarket cashier’s ear about how ZZ has the best protagonist of any Gundam cartoon (it does, all the rest wish they were as cool as Judau), and then refuse to leave. I would not use a funeral reception to loudly argue with an uncle about why humanities are perfectly valid fields of study for undergraduates (the recent STEM fetish reeks of Soviet hatred for culture). I would not take the floor at a parent-teacher conference to accuse another parent of improperly disposing of used motor oil. I would not take over a forum thread about threats to cabotage laws to argue with somebody and gloat about how their country isn’t as good as my country at innovative cheeseburger recipes, or whatever (The bleu cheese burger at Winghart’s in Pittsburgh reigns supreme). So, if you really don’t mind, please help move this discussion to another thread where comparing oil production in Norway and the USA is on-topic.


#220

[QUOTE=ombugge;173585]You mean to tell me that spraying Shell-tox on the computer didn’t do the job?[/QUOTE]

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as the man said…“when the bugs get tough, get tough with the bugs”

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