Future of ships


#483

An example of the pitfalls of level 2?

I thought this quote was interesting:

“People die every day in car accidents,” the statement said. “Change always comes with risks, and zero tolerance for deaths would totally stop innovation and improvements.”


#484

Crew of the future for ships of the future: http://www.wilhelmsen.com/media-news-and-events/industry-perspectives/2017/building-crew-of-the-future/


#485

I hope the crew of the future has an MBA to decipher that B school jargon contained in that “article.” What a load of crap.

Data analytic engineers will be part of the crew of the future? Who will they be replacing with that nonsense position? Good luck getting someone with those kind of marketable skills to leave home for months at a time without giving them the moon. Not too many tech folks I know that want to leave the cozy confines of their own home.


#486

Training seafarers in technology, not “tech folks” to be seafarers.

This is how progressive Ship Managers see it:

BTW; Wilhelmsen is present in USA: http://www.wilhelmsen.com/contacts-and-locations/locations/north-america/united-states/


#487

Any seafarer with the acuity to be a techie would have a cushy land job and NOT be a seafarer.


#488

I disagree, there are lots of capable seafarers that can and will be trained to operate ships of the future, whether from shore or on board.
Those who think otherwise will be left in the wake of development and can only hope that there will be enough old rust buckets operating to keep them employed. (And be happy if they come from countries that take care of their people)


#489

The Dynamic Positioning industry sorted a few out, its getting very technical on the bridge and engine room.
Look at the rate of change of the skills required on the bridge, was the same for a very long time then in 2 decades big changes, it will only accelerate.
The jobs will get more technical and less people will be doing them. Its just how fast that happens or you dont really notice.


#490

Kongsberg is one of the leaders in the field for Marine Electronics and equipment for the future autonomous ships and participate in several of the project groups presently working on this development.

The navigation part is the easy bit, incl. collision avoidance:

But Kongsberg is also heavily involved in the development of systems for the unmanned engine rooms of the future: https://www.km.kongsberg.com/ks/web/nokbg0240.nsf/AllWeb/87907B681C53A7BAC1257316003BC367?OpenDocument

And total concept for an all electric autonomous ferry for use in Norway: https://www.km.kongsberg.com/ks/web/nokbg0238.nsf/AllWeb/C436FADB888BFD55C1258192003B8148?OpenDocument

Training of personnel to operate both manned and unmanned vessels is part of their portfolio: https://www.km.kongsberg.com/ks/web/nokbg0237.nsf/AllWeb/E0B8E9F95BA63B2EC12577F300321396?OpenDocument

For those who wants to take part in the Maritime industry, either afloat or ashore; now is the time to join in the development of the future of ships and shipping, or al least to prepare for it.


#491

In the little time I have been able to spend on ships I have experienced a start of a fire that did not continue due to an electrical breaker actuation, an injector failure due to the failure of the high pressure injector tip, a failure of a generator fuel line resulting in the spraying of fuel on to a hot generator. The Titanic suffered the failure of contaminated rivets in its construction. With unforeseeable equipment, structure and equipment failures how can one possibly contend that a system such as a ship can possibly navigate an ocean voyage on its own? A system as large and complex as an ocean going vessel can not possibly be expected to navigate an ocean without failures. Unless a vessel is manned by very intelligent robot/androids more often than not ships will suffer a multitude of failures. Anyone who is attempting to think otherwise is living in a fantasy world, devoid of reality.


#492

Consider how far cell phones have come in the past 10 years. This could easily happen in our lifetime. (30-50 more years)

Hate to admit it but the rich folk that want this to happen, will invest and see to it. As for the pee-on’s like us, we’ll end up jobless… unless we decide to keep up by educating ourselves in the industry of autonomy. Unfortunately for some, having computers onboard ships to manage the vessel have become difficult due to computer illiteracy.

I guess this is a reality we’ll have to accept and the maritime industry is moving in this direction. The way I see it, we have 1 of 3 options. Take the bull by the horns, jump out of the ring, or be trampled over.


#493

So you think that the people at Lloyds, DNV-GL, Rolls-Royce, NYK and others are some sort of idiots living in a dream world devoid of reality?? Maybe it it you and others that is living on a delusion and in an alternative reality, believing that development can be stopped.

Here is an article that may be a little more realistic: http://www.oilpubs.com/oso/article.asp?v1=20728


#494

I sometimes wonder who you work for. Your Goebbels-like enthusiasm for the promotion of autonomous ships goes beyond interest or admiration as strikes me as a deliberate effort to encourage a certain public perception.

This isn’t a dig against you, just an observation that your persistence is fanatical.


#495

If it’s from shore then they would no longer be “seafarers” in any real sense of the word. You can call them “marine operations technicians” or whatever you want. But not seafarers.


#496

After a larger than life career, I think he’s bored. He’s just pushing peoples’ buttons to rile them up and keep himself amused.


#497

I have no employer or any agenda. I just post what I find that point towards what the future might hold for ships, shipping and seafarers. It may irritate some, but help others to gain knowledge.

I have no financial or other interests in this, but have always been occupied with the development of new things, although not with any great inventions to my name.
It is disappointing to see that things I have worked on, but not succeeded, sometime becomes reality, but with somebody else getting the credit.

A good advise to those who harbours ideas; be doggedly persistent and don’t loose faith in your invention. I don’t say that you will be guaranteed to succeed, but if you don’t hang in there you are guaranteed NOT to succeed.


#498

Seafarers will go ashore and become Ship Operators, or whatever, but they will still be seafarers at heart.

Those who are able and willing to learn will still be operating ships, but from a location near their home. Those who don’t will still sail old rust buckets across oceans and be away from home half (or more) of the time.


#499

I didn’t think of it that way, but maybe, just maybe, you got a point there.


#500

Very little.

Your position that a ship cannot cross an ocean without catastrophic failure unless human eyes and hands are a meter away from every device is absurd.


#501

Excellent malaprop.


#502