Fidel Castro is dead


#41

Looks like cruise lines thinks there is enough not so paranoid Americans who are willing to visit the dangerous Communist country of Cuba to justify more calls at Havana: http://fairplay.ihs.com/commerce/article/4279056/cruise-lines-poised-for-major-push-into-cuba?utm_campaign=[PMP]_PC9157_FDN+081216_JC_Deployment&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua&utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=dailynewswire&elqTrack=true&elqTrackId=ccda47b3448d42ef81f5f3dc195b881a&elq=5c15ecae1a8b47589899e364cb0cd829&elqaid=40773&elqat=1&elqCampaignId=16277
Of course US citizens are not allowed to travel to Cuba as tourists, but they will find some ways around that ban.

PS> USA is the only western democracy that try to control where their citizens can and cannot travel. WHY??


#42

[QUOTE=ombugge;193076]Looks like cruise lines thinks there is enough not so paranoid Americans who are willing to visit the dangerous Communist country of Cuba to justify more calls at Havana: http://fairplay.ihs.com/commerce/article/4279056/cruise-lines-poised-for-major-push-into-cuba?utm_campaign=[PMP]_PC9157_FDN+081216_JC_Deployment&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua&utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=dailynewswire&elqTrack=true&elqTrackId=ccda47b3448d42ef81f5f3dc195b881a&elq=5c15ecae1a8b47589899e364cb0cd829&elqaid=40773&elqat=1&elqCampaignId=16277
Of course US citizens are not allowed to travel to Cuba as tourists, but they will find some ways around that ban.

PS> USA is the only western democracy that try to control where their citizens can and cannot travel. WHY??[/QUOTE]

A Norwegian company is planning an express service between Key West and Havana using HSC boats built in Norway: http://e24.no/naeringsliv/cuba/stavanger-rederi-vil-starte-opp-ferge-til-cuba-i-2017/23863588

It all depends on what Trump is going to do when he gets into the White House.


#43

[QUOTE=ombugge;193076]PS> USA is the only western democracy that try to control where their citizens can and cannot travel. WHY??[/QUOTE]

It’s for our own safety. Uncle Sam doesn’t want us to get trapped in dangerous whirlpools caused by the Coriolis effect. Even Danish schoolchildren know this.


#44

[QUOTE=Lee Shore;193084]It’s for our own safety. Uncle Sam doesn’t want us to get trapped in dangerous whirlpools caused by the Coriolis effect. Even Danish schoolchildren know this.[/QUOTE]

Cuba should be a safe destination. It is on the Northern Hemisphere.


#45

[QUOTE=ombugge;193087]Cuba should be a safe destination. It is on the Northern Hemisphere.[/QUOTE]

Probably someone forgot to inform Joaquin, Katrina etc. that the northern hemisphere is exempt from the coriolis effect…


#46

[QUOTE=Urs;193094]Probably someone forgot to inform Joaquin, Katrina etc. that the northern hemisphere is exempt from the coriolis effect…[/QUOTE]

No the Northern hemisphere is not exempt, but at least the turning force is to the [U]favoured [/U]RIGHT not to the despised LEFT. (Politically speaking that is)

PS> I don’t normally explain a joke, but have to make exemptions some time.


#47

Final installment in this thread.
This article by Marjorie Cohn is a bit more realistic then the propaganda articles more commonly seen in US publications: http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/12/03/remarkable-legacy-fidel-castro

The end:

Castro survived 90 years. And Castro’s revolution survives, notwithstanding 57 years of aggression and assassination attempts by the United States.

“Fidel Castro was an authoritarian. He ruled with an iron fist. There was repression and is repression in Cuba. In Fidel’s kind of argument, he did it in the name of a different kind of democracy, a different kind of freedom—the freedom from illness, the freedom from racism, the freedom from social inequality,” Peter Kornbluh, director of the Cuba Documentation Project, told Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! “And Cuba has a lot of very positives that all the other countries that we don’t talk about don’t have. There isn’t gang violence in Cuba. People aren’t being slaughtered around the streets by guns every day. They defeated the Zika virus right away. There is universal health care and universal education.”

In a 1998 NBC interview with Maria Shriver, Castro wryly noted, [B]“For a small country such as Cuba to have such a gigantic country as the United States live so obsessed with this island, it is an honor for us.”
[/B]
History has absolved, and promises to continue to absolve, “El Comandante” Fidel Castro.


#48

In America this “realistic” article is known as
#fakenews


#49

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;193383]In America this “realistic” article is known as
#fakenews[/QUOTE]

You mean; “anything that I don’t agree with”???


#50

[QUOTE=ombugge;193389]You mean; “anything that I don’t agree with”???[/QUOTE]

If by “Cubans’ superior access to universal housing” you mean three generations crammed into a dilapidated one room shack with no running water and cooking on a hot plate which took months of scraping pennies to buy second hand, if by “guarantee of paid maternity leave and equal-pay rates” for an jobless population living in squalor, forbidden from commenting on their condition for fear of being thrown in jail means it’s a great deal, then yeah, Cubans are living it up in grand socialist style.


#51

[QUOTE=Lee Shore;193397]If by “Cubans’ superior access to universal housing” you mean three generations crammed into a dilapidated one room shack with no running water and cooking on a hot plate which took months of scraping pennies to buy second hand, if by “guarantee of paid maternity leave and equal-pay rates” for an jobless population living in squalor, forbidden from commenting on their condition for fear of being thrown in jail means it’s a great deal, then yeah, Cubans are living it up in grand socialist style.[/QUOTE]

No I mean like the homeless in America: http://www.socialsolutions.com/blog/2016-homelessness-statistics/
Or the largest prison population in the world, living in abject conditions: http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2012/us-incarceration.aspx

The self-proclaimed richest country in the world spends billions of dollars to try to stop a neighbouring country from developing because they don’t accept American superiority and control, yet cannot take care of the weakest in their own society.


#52

[QUOTE=ombugge;193408]No I mean like the homeless in America: http://www.socialsolutions.com/blog/2016-homelessness-statistics/
Or the largest prison population in the world, living in abject conditions: http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2012/us-incarceration.aspx

The self-proclaimed richest country in the world spends billions of dollars to try to stop a neighbouring country from developing because they don’t accept American superiority and control, yet cannot take care of the weakest in their own society.[/QUOTE]

We spend billions on the homeless. The biggest problem is drugs and mental illness. I’ve watched my niece work herself into the ground trying to solve the homeless problem. A clinical psychologist, she has worked 20 years in various liberal programs. She finally admitted that the open border and free flow of drugs hinders her efforts. The sad part is the kids suffer from their parent(s) decisions. The Cuban military rulers don’t have that problem. They just shoot 'em…

addendum
Our prisoners are so mistreated. Some prisons don’t even have HBO.


#53

Yes and more billions to subvert foreign countries, like Cuba, because they do not agree with you.

The biggest problem is drugs and mental illness. I’ve watched my niece work herself into the ground trying to solve the homeless problem. A clinical psychologist, she has worked 20 years in various liberal programs. She finally admitted that the open border and free flow of drugs hinders her efforts. The sad part is the kids suffer from their parent(s) decisions.

Instead of spending good money on trying to stop production of drugs in Colombia and Afghanistan it would have been more rational to try stopping the demand in the US by educating your population and on mental health services.

The Cuban military rulers don’t have that problem. They just shoot 'em…

The summary courts and executions of Batista sympathizers ended in 1969. The last execution of any kind in Cuba was in 2003.
According to this article in The Economist 03.Dec. 2016 the number of known executions in the 1960s was 550, with possibly as many as 2000: http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21710922-cubas-communist-leader-who-outlasted-ten-american-presidents-has-died-age-90

In the early days, at least 550 (and perhaps 2,000 or more) opponents of the revolution were executed. Many of them were Batista henchmen whose demise was popular. Once the revolution was secure, Mr Castro’s rule was repressive though not especially bloody. Nothing and nobody was allowed to diminish his power. “There are no neutrals,” he declared. “There are only partisans of the revolution or enemies of it.” The revolution, of course, was Fidel.

Nobody claim that Fidel Castro was an angle, but few believe in the propaganda put out by the Miami Cubans and CIA either. (Outside USA that is)

Addendum:
Our prisoners are so mistreated. Some prisons don’t even have HBO.

Manby this will open your eyes to the reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeYkyjBbbNM#t=127.419521


#54

Yes tell us how the streets are clean in Norway


#55

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;193445]Yes tell us how the streets are clean in Norway

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2002/08/08/world/in-scenic-norway-a-death-scene-of-addiction.html[/QUOTE]

Doesn’t fit bugge’s narrative so it must be #fakenews


#56

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;193445]Yes tell us how the streets are clean in Norway

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2002/08/08/world/in-scenic-norway-a-death-scene-of-addiction.html[/QUOTE]

Yes drugs are a problem in Norway as it is in USA. It is specially affecting Oslo, but even in small villages it does exist.
It still got a way to go to reach epedemic proporsion,like in some small mid-west towns in the US:

My point was that the money spent on keeping Cuba from developing, could better be spent helping the homeless.

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[QUOTE=injunear;193448]Doesn’t fit bugge’s narrative so it must be #fakenews…[/QUOTE]

No I do not think so.
Nor do I think this article in Politico is fake: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/what-works-albuquerque-homeless-solution-housing-policy-214527

I believe this dangerous drug may be behind many of the deaths, both in Oslo and in USA: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/24/health/elephant-tranquilizer-carfentanil-heroin/


#57

[QUOTE=ombugge;193452]My point was that the money spent on keeping Cuba from developing, could better be spent helping the homeless.[/QUOTE]

Where do you get this idea that the US is spending money to stop Cuba from developing. They’ve dug the hole they’re in all by themselves and we’re not spending any money to stop them from doing anything. We’re simply keeping a wary eye on them because they once agreed to point another nations’s missiles in our faces.
Otherwise we’re just ignoring them and maybe Castro didn’t like being snubbed. Cry me a river.


#58

[QUOTE=Lee Shore;193470]Where do you get this idea that the US is spending money to stop Cuba from developing. They’ve dug the hole they’re in all by themselves and we’re not spending any money to stop them from doing anything. We’re simply keeping a wary eye on them because they once agreed to point another nations’s missiles in our faces.
Otherwise we’re just ignoring them and maybe Castro didn’t like being snubbed. Cry me a river.[/QUOTE]

There are many sources to draw from, both for and against the embargo and the cost to both USA and Cuba from maintaining it. Here is the pros & cons: http://cuba-embargo.procon.org/

As far as Cuba posing a threat to USA and v.v.; remember the Bay of Pigs??


#59

Don’t be naive. It’s the tonnage rule applied to international trade. China engages in the same civil rights violations as Cuba but they are too big to ignore.
I could use some of them exploding ceegars for Christmas gifts to a few people I know.


#60

Civil rights abuses are not a monopoly for China or Cuba: https://www.aclu.org/blog/un-holds-us-accountable-human-rights-violations-home-and-abroad

I could use some of them exploding ceegars for Christmas gifts to a few people I know.

Try asking CIA if they have any left. They may not have any need for them now, since Fidel Castro died by natural causes.
Unless there are any other cigar smoking “world leaders” that is likely to upset the incoming President, that is.
Well, maybe he can tweet them to death??

PS> Yesterday was International Human Rights Day: https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/international-human-rights-day-lesson-trump