Fidel Castro is dead


#21

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;192870]Прошу прощения, товарищ Кастро сильно не понял так же, как его сверстники …

Kim Jong Il

Vladimir Lenin

Leonid Brezhnev

Chiang Kai Shek

Kim Il Sung

Ho Chi Minh

Pol Pot

Josef Stalin

Mao Zedong

Я уверен, что все их граждане любили их так много для всех великих школ и здравоохранения они были готовы пропустить небольшой геноцид здесь и там[/QUOTE]

Ah Google Translate at work again.
Yes there have been genocides committed by some of the above Communist leaders, as there have been by some despotes supported by the US: http://fpif.org/america-genocide-national-interest/

Castro can hardly be accused of genocide, though there were prisoners held in inhumane conditions. That was not the only place where that occured though: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2477383/photographer-Bruce-Jacksons-Inside-The-Wire-shows-life-Southern-prisons-1960s-70s.html

BTW Chiang Kai Shek was an anti-communist who was defeated by Mao and supported by USA.

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[QUOTE=injunear;192877]Isn’t it ironic that Putin won’t attend the funeral of the USSRs foremost tool. I guess he was the ultimate “useful idiot”…[/QUOTE]

Putin is the leader of Russian Federation, not USSR.

If Castro was a “useful idiot” for USSR during the cold war, he was a useful “demon” for the US propaganda machine.

Why is it so hard to accept that not everyone have to kowtow to the American might any more?
After over 50 years of US embargo Cubans are surviving despite all attempts to force them into submission. Maybe it is time to admit defeat and start behaving like a good neighbour.

The people who did not defect are mourning the loss of their “Father”: http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/38139177


#22

[QUOTE=jimrr;192869]Cuba had a opportunity to be as successful as any of the better off Caribbean islands including the Bahamas…their government must of not wanted to make that… sacrifice![/QUOTE]

Someone made their damnedest to stop them from succeeding though.

Just in case you have forgotten: http://fpif.org/bush_administration_refuses_cuban_offer_of_medical_assistance_following_katrina/

The reason why Castro won the revolution: http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/batista.htm


#23

10 innovative ways to kill a Castro: http://mentalfloss.com/article/30010/10-ways-cia-tried-kill-castro


#24

[QUOTE=ombugge;192881]Putin is the leader of Russian Federation, not USSR.

If Castro was a “useful idiot” for USSR during the cold war, he was a useful “demon” for the US propaganda machine.

Why is it so hard to accept that not everyone have to kowtow to the American might any more?
After over 50 years of US embargo Cubans are surviving despite all attempts to force them into submission. Maybe it is time to admit defeat and start behaving like a good neighbour.

The people who did not defect are mourning the loss of their “Father”: http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/38139177[/QUOTE]

Yes but Putin came out of the USSR. It’s all a matter of prospective of the various usefulness.

I remember the duck and cover drills in elementary school. I guess the nuclear threat in the early '60s had something to do with the hard feelings.
You say we were defeated? I don’t see how. Cuba is governed by the military. Only the top prosper. Everyone has equally poor healthcare. I have many friends from Canada, Europe, and South America that have vacationed there and they were not impressed. Why hasn’t the rest of the world taken up the slack of the U.S. embargo. No rush to invest in failing system. Venezuela tried to model after Cuba. How’s that working out?


#25

[QUOTE=injunear;192891]Yes but Putin came out of the USSR. It’s all a matter of prospective of the various usefulness.

I remember the duck and cover drills in elementary school. I guess the nuclear threat in the early '60s had something to do with the hard feelings.
You say we were defeated? I don’t see how. [/quote]
You have tried by hook or by crook to regain your control over Cuba since 1960 and has not succeeded yet. I call that defeat.

Cuba is governed by the military. Only the top prosper.

US backed Military Dictatorship in Cuba was the reason for the Cuban Revolution:

Cuban leader Fidel Castro (1926-2016) established the first communist state in the Western Hemisphere after leading an overthrow of the military dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista in 1959.

Maybe a short summary of Cuban history will help understanding why Cubans are not keen on being ruled by USA: http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/History/Cuba-history.htm

Everyone has equally poor healthcare. I have many friends from Canada, Europe, and South America that have vacationed there and they were not impressed.

The Cubans are ranked #39 on the WHO Health Care ranking 2000, 8 places behind USA at #31, so you have something to be proud of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000
When it comes to cost of health care per capita USA is ranked #1 while Cuba is #118 and have free health care coverage for all Cubans. Infant mortality is also lower in Cuban (4.5) than in USA (6.1): https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/29/our-infant-mortality-rate-is-a-national-embarrassment/

Why hasn’t the rest of the world taken up the slack of the U.S. embargo. No rush to invest in failing system. Venezuela tried to model after Cuba. How’s that working out?

There may be a very good reason why only 2 countries voted for an embargo against Cuba at the last UN General Assembly. Only USA has a large population of Cuban diaspora (voters?), many of whom were Batista supporters and the losers from the Cuban revolution, or their offspring.

Others may be from the Mariel exodus in 1980, when Castro complied with the US demand to allow Cubans to travel: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/criminals-in-exodus-from-cuba-us-fears-castro-emptying-his-jails-into-florida-1386288.html
That resulted in an agreement beteween the US and Cuba to try to stop Cubans from leaving by boats and to accept back those who were intercepted before reaching US territory. The wet feet / dry feet policy, which I believe is still in force today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_feet,_dry_feet_policy
USCG cutters were regular visitors to Cuba. USCG even have/had a liason officer stationed in Havana to facilitate the return: http://fysa.csis.org/2015/10/28/u-s-coast-guard-cuban-border-guard-cooperation-opportunity-to-leverage-an-established-relationship/

So stop being so sore because a small island nation doesn’t accept being ruled by America. Just learn to live with it and make the best of it now that things are being normalized. (Or will that be reversed?)
Hopefully Cuba will not be turned into a Disneyland for rich Americans to visit and criticized of being uncivilized for not having enough McDonalds and Starbucks.


#26

Wow it’s hard to tell the difference between uptown Oslo and downtown Havana.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bc.marfeel.com/amp/www.nationalreview.com/article/426334/cuba-working-class-communism-castros-poverty

http://marketurbanism.com/2015/06/12/havana-cuba-where-can-i-even-start/

http://marketurbanism.com/2015/06/20/havana-cuba-stagnation-doesnt-preserve-cities-nor-does-wealth-destroy-them/


#27

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;192898]Wow it’s hard to tell the difference between uptown Oslo and downtown Havana.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bc.marfeel.com/amp/www.nationalreview.com/article/426334/cuba-working-class-communism-castros-poverty

http://marketurbanism.com/2015/06/12/havana-cuba-where-can-i-even-start/

http://marketurbanism.com/2015/06/20/havana-cuba-stagnation-doesnt-preserve-cities-nor-does-wealth-destroy-them/[/QUOTE]

No it’s not. Havana is the one with plenty of old American cars that work and lots of sunshine.
Oslo has snow and few American cars of any kind. (Some veteran cars does exist)

Yes, there are poverty and crime in Cuba, as there are in USA.

At at least you don’t have to worry about being mugged, or shot in Havana: https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Havana
As compared to Chicago, a city of similar size in USA: https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Chicago
Or Detroit: https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Detroit A city that was mentioned in one of the articles you linked to.

Of course that is unfair comparison, the Cubans don’t have freedom!!!

PS> Not ALL Americans are so negative to Cuba, some even live and study there: https://www.wired.com/2016/03/students-ditching-america-medical-school-cuba/
Maybe there are something to learn from how Cuban do thing??


#28

If three adults have to save their money for several months to buy a small rice cooker I’m not optimistic about about the health care system. Id rather take my chances with an iPhone, Fitbit and WebMD than visit their best hospital.

#workersparadise
#vivalarevolution


#29

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;192902]If three adults have to save their money for several months to buy a small rice cooker I’m not optimistic about about the health care system. Id rather take my chances with an iPhone, Fitbit and WebMD than visit their best hospital. #workersparadise #vivalarevolution[/QUOTE]
You do that and stay away from that cesspool of Communism and wellness, less you gets contaminated with ideas that is un-American.


#30

I’d still like to know what positive things he achieved?
if there was anything how come people were/are still desperate to leave?


#31

[QUOTE=powerabout;192923]I’d still like to know what positive things he achieved?
if there was anything how come people were/are still desperate to leave?[/QUOTE]

It should be well documented in the above, but just in case you missed it;
He managed to stay alive against all odds and numerous attempts on his life by “world’s biggestspy organisation” CIA.
He managed to stay in power and maintain stability against all odds and persistent attempts to dethrone him and destabilize his country by the most powerful nation in the world.
He managed to create a public health and education system that rival that of much bigger and richer countries and is a model for other developing countries according to WHO.

Why do some people still leave Cuba?
Because it is always more tempting to try getting something for free than to work hard for it.
In this case; across 90 miles of water is American, where money grows on trees and everybody is rich according to popular beliefs. Just get your feet “dry” and you can partake in that capitalist heaven, rather than work hard to build up your own country.

Why is Cuba not as rich as other Latin American countries? Try over 50 years of embargo from your nearest neighbour and potentially biggest trading partner, which has cost both sides billions of dollars.


#32

Since the autumn of 2001, something like 370,000 combatants and noncombatants have been killed in the various theaters of operations where U.S. forces have been active. Although modest by twentieth century standards, this post-9/11 harvest of death is hardly trivial.

http://www.deathpenaltyworldwide.org/country-search-post.cfm?country=cuba


#33

The Jeep keeps breaking down carrying Castro’s urn of ashes, it had to be pushed thru the procession. Can’t make this stuff up! Everything dies around this guy.


#34

That the vehicle pulling the urn hold Castro’s ashes became the main event for the gloating right wing press. That it was a Russian probably made vehicle made it even more pleasurable, if possible: http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/12/04/fidel-castro-jeep-breaks-down-funeral-procession-cuba-communism

The fact that ordinary Cubans lined the rout from Havana to Santiago de Cuba was largely ignored, although Mail online did cover a full set of pictures: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4000524/How-Fidel-Castro-s-jeep-broke-mid-ceremony-carried-ashes-final-resting-place.html

Why did they do that? Because they were forced by the evil Communist regime to do so of course: http://nypost.com/2016/11/26/cubans-forced-to-undergo-9-days-of-mourning-for-castro/

Not all was that negative: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/27/world/fidel-castro-funeral-reaction/

BTW Fidel Castro was not in favour of any personality cult to be his legacy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/04/raul-castro-announces-cuba-will-ban-naming-sites-fidel-castros/


#35

The Daily Mail always has good pictures. Thanks for the above ombugge. I believe the military utility vehicle is a UAZ-469.


#36

[QUOTE=ombugge;193009]That the vehicle pulling the urn hold Castro’s ashes became the main event for the gloating right wing press. That it was a Russian probably made vehicle made it even more pleasurable, if possible: http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/12/04/fidel-castro-jeep-breaks-down-funeral-procession-cuba-communism

The fact that ordinary Cubans lined the rout from Havana to Santiago de Cuba was largely ignored, although Mail online did cover a full set of pictures: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4000524/How-Fidel-Castro-s-jeep-broke-mid-ceremony-carried-ashes-final-resting-place.html

Why did they do that? Because they were forced by the evil Communist regime to do so of course: http://nypost.com/2016/11/26/cubans-forced-to-undergo-9-days-of-mourning-for-castro/

Not all was that negative: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/27/world/fidel-castro-funeral-reaction/

BTW Fidel Castro was not in favour of any personality cult to be his legacy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/04/raul-castro-announces-cuba-will-ban-naming-sites-fidel-castros/[/QUOTE]

Geeze buggee
You’re the only one pushing for the canonization of castro. Nobody else gives a shit one way or the other.
By the way, when I lived and worked in Colombia, I rented a Gaz jeep for 90 days and it was operable for 60.


#37

[QUOTE=injunear;193042]Geeze buggee
You’re the only one pushing for the canonization of castro. Nobody else gives a shit one way or the other.
By the way, when I lived and worked in Colombia, I rented a Gaz jeep for 90 days and it was operable for 60.[/QUOTE]

No I don’t want to canonize Castro or anybody else. What I want is to point out is that US propaganda is not necessarily based on truth. After trying to convince the world that Castro’s Cuba is a grave danger to world peace and need to be “contained”, they only get one other country to vote with them in the UN General Assembly; Israel. I wonder why??

PS> Maybe you would like to read the opinion of an American with a different view of history of American involvement in Cuba since the revolution?: https://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/cuba
But then he is not a “true patriot”, spouting the official propaganda and right wing views of the world.

Soviet observation: “The only difference between your propaganda and our propaganda is that you believe yours.”

Quoted from William Blum “The Anti-Empire Report #147” Link: https://williamblum.org/aer/read/147


#38

Because everyone else hates us cuz they ain’t us…


#39

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;193051]Because everyone else hates us cuz they ain’t us…[/QUOTE]

Please check link: http://www.medicinenet.com/paranoia/symptoms.htm


#40

[QUOTE=ombugge;193057]Please check link: http://www.medicinenet.com/paranoia/symptoms.htm[/QUOTE]

Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean there’s nobody after you.