Abandoned without food or pay. Happens all the time


#21

[QUOTE=ombugge;192438]Are there many women in high position in the fashion industry?[/QUOTE]

Vera Wang, Ivanka Trump, Miuccia Prada, the late great Coco Channel, Donatella Versace… there’s another one that I’m forgetting: I had a pair of her slacks that I wore until they were rags. Probably others, I don’t watch that industry. I will always be grateful to Ivanka for making pretty dresses with real pockets, though. For that reason, if there’s ever a Nobel prize for fashion, she should get it.

edit: her name is Norma Kamali


#22

[QUOTE=ombugge;192421]Would getting more women into high position in Shipping help to “soften” the rough edges, like abandonment of crew?: https://shipping-2030.com/2016/11/09/lena-gothberg-a-force-for-sea-change/[/QUOTE]
clearly you havnt dealt with an Indian female ship owner


#23

[QUOTE=powerabout;192458]clearly you havnt dealt with an Indian female ship owner[/QUOTE]

No I haven’t, but please pray tell about your experience.

My first command was owned by a Chinese female however. Tough as nails in business, but very nice socially.


#24

[QUOTE=ombugge;191865]Shaming may help to get Owners to pay up and act responsibly: http://splash247.com/vallianz-responds-to-splash-reports-promises-to-pay-crew/[/QUOTE]

Apparently it didn’t do anything, except to get them to promise something they did not intend to do: http://splash247.com/vallianz-posts-3m-profit-stranded-crew-run-food-water/


#25

[QUOTE=ombugge;192421]Would getting more women into high position in Shipping help to “soften” the rough edges, like abandonment of crew?: https://shipping-2030.com/2016/11/09/lena-gothberg-a-force-for-sea-change/[/QUOTE]

Not only in Shipping but on Offshore Production platforms as well??: http://sysla.no/2016/11/14/oljeenergi/alle-plattformer-bor-ha-en-kvinnelig-sjef_174755/


#26

[QUOTE=ombugge;192497]Apparently it didn’t do anything, except to get them to promise something they did not intend to do: http://splash247.com/vallianz-posts-3m-profit-stranded-crew-run-food-water/[/QUOTE]

They did bring their pay up to date, while the spotlight was on them. Gotta keep the the light on them, gotta name the names. That’s journalism. Grant Rowles is doing a great job. I wish I used social media, so I could increase the number of “shares” for his story.


#27

Will this make a difference?: http://www.allaboutshipping.co.uk/2016/11/15/pioneering-conference-to-explore-impact-of-crew-welfare-on-the-bottom-line/
Anything affecting the bottom line should be taken serious.


#28

A lot of new maritime legislation is coming into force soon: https://www.dnvgl.com/news/new-requirements-coming-up-utilize-your-management-system-smartly-79316
Some of this may have an impact on abandonment of crews around the world, but probably not enough to end it.


#29

credit check on a vessel/charterer/owner before it is allowed in your waters would be a start
compulsory insurance to pay crew, run vessel in case of bankruptcy would be a start
sounds like thats where its headed


#30

Chinese court take action: http://splash247.com/shanghai-maritime-court-orders-varun-pay-115000-landmark-crew-abandonment-ruling/


#31

[QUOTE=powerabout;192876]credit check on a vessel/charterer/owner before it is allowed in your waters would be a start
compulsory insurance to pay crew, run vessel in case of bankruptcy would be a start
sounds like thats where its headed[/QUOTE]

Maybe this is a beginning towards an international system to stop this practise: http://splash247.com/new-insurance-rules-place-designed-ease-crew-abandonment-cases/
Of cause it only apply to the signatory flag states, which is the majority, bare one. (USA is not a signatory)


#32

[QUOTE=ombugge;194451]Of cause it only apply to the signatory flag states, which is the majority, bare one. (USA is not a signatory)[/QUOTE]

Unless “human rights” is a cause that can be used to invade some place with oil or as an argument for some other political advantage there is little reason for American politicians to get involved. This is especially true when many of the people who would be burdened with compliance are campaign contributors.


#33

[QUOTE=Steamer;194459]Unless “human rights” is a cause that can be used to invade some place with oil or as an argument for some other political advantage there is little reason for American politicians to get involved. This is especially true when many of the people who would be burdened with compliance are campaign contributors.[/QUOTE]

You are an old cynic!!! I do appreciate that in a man.


#34

[QUOTE=ombugge;192421]Would getting more women into high position in Shipping help to “soften” the rough edges, like abandonment of crew?: [/QUOTE]

No, has nothing to do with gender. Absolute power currupts absolutely.


#35

[QUOTE=cajaya;194479]No, has nothing to do with gender. Absolute power currupts absolutely.[/QUOTE]

I would have to agree with you there. Look to our corrupt Congress for examples. Women in high office don’t differ much from men when it comes to corruption and shady practices.


#36

ITF’s advise to seafarers re: abandonment: http://www.itfseafarers.org/ITI-abandoned-seafarers.cfm


#37

A long awaited step in the right direction:

http://gcaptain.com/imo-new-rules-protect-financial-security-seafarers/


#38

[QUOTE=Lee Shore;194512]A long awaited step in the right direction:

http://gcaptain.com/imo-new-rules-protect-financial-security-seafarers/[/QUOTE]

Nice idea, but enforcement must follow or the rules have no legs.


#39

[QUOTE=catherder;194588]Nice idea, but enforcement must follow or the rules have no legs.[/QUOTE]

There’s considerably more to it than a “nice idea”. It’s a requirement that ships must be able to show that the ship’s insurance (P&I) covers costs.

The amendments require that a certificate or other documented evidence of financial security has to be issued by the financial security provider of the shipowner. This certificate has to be carried on board the ship.

It’s similar to what is already required for oil spill and wreck removal insurance. It’s very common to have to show these documents to port officals. In some cases the documents must be sent to the port in advance to obtain permission to enter.

It’s analogous to being pulled over while driving when the cop asks for driver’s license, registration and proof of insurance, but ship get “pulled over” every time it enters port.


#40

NMA is strengthening the rules for NIS registered vessels: https://www.sjofartsdir.no/en/news/news-from-the-nma/nis--and-mlc-guarantee-may-now-be-merged/
They probably don’t like the idea that a ship/ships flying the Norwegian flag should get in the news for all the wrong reasons.